Question about Draft/Position control on new DK45S

[k0ua]

Murph - I did this. Once the arms lowered using the draft control lever (they will move up and down all day long with the draft control lever), and with the draft control lever in the DOWN position - the position control lever still did not move the 3 point arms at any point along the range selector slot.

Then it is broke. If all of the valves in front of the position control are centered. (loader valve, and either of the 1 or 2 remote valves) then there is a problem. Are you sure the 1 or 2 remote valves you may have are not stuck in the detent position? Lets start with either a picture or tell us how many remote valves you have.

 

[ritcheyvs]

8N: Our descriptions, above, tell how it is supposed to work. Based of your description, it sounds like the position control lever isn't doing anything. The position lever is supposed to be clamped to an inside shaft that goes into the 3-point hydraulics under the seat. Here's what the control assembly looks like: 3-point controls.

If you are lucky, maybe just the screw (#23) is lose allowing the position control lever (#21) to slip on the shaft. You should be able to see this from the back of the tractor behind the rubber flap on the right side.

 

[8NAcres]

Tractor is out at my land (I do not live there - just getting it ready to retire and move there) so I do not have physical access to it right now - but I can say I have a small bar at the rear next to the right 3 point top link that looks like it is to control the 3 point arms when you are at the rear hooking up an implement. If I move this bar, I can look through the back window of the cab and see the Position control lever moving up and down as well.

Next time I go out I will double check the remote hydraulics lever and play around with the small knob by the floor. Also, check the lever to make sure it has not slipped on the shaft. If all appears fine, I guess I will need to contact the seller.

Thanks all for the info and suggestions.

 

[ritcheyvs]

8N: that lever on the back is linked directly to the 3-point position lever to allow you to raise or lower the three-point arms from the back, making it easier to attach implements. I don't have the cab model but this is how mine looks:


Now if you lift that rubber flap, you can see the linkages, In this shot the position lever is in the"up" position and you can separate linkages from the cabin position lever and the aft position lever which attach via small ball joints to the lever on the shaft.


Now here's a final shot with the position lever down. Sorry about the sharpness, I guess I moved the camera. The main thing here is the lock screw that is supposed to lock the position lever to the shaft. This is what I'd check. Maybe it's just lose or missing.


Based on your description, the position lever isn't doing anything. So maybe that outboard lever is not turning the shaft. Note that there is a procedure to lock it to the shaft at the proper orientation. If this isn't the case, it's more serious; either the shaft is broken or the other end of the shaft (inside the 3-point hydraulic unit) has come undone. Did you get any sort of warranty?

I would add that a circlip on that shaft keeps the position control arm from sliding off, even if it were lose. Also, there are flats ground into the end of the shaft (beyond the circlip) where you should be able to feel if the shaft is turning with the position control or not.

ADDED Let me also add that the bell-cranks on the shafts don't quite look like the simple "arms" shown in the parts manual or the service manual page posted above. I decided we already have too many things called arms so I'll refer to those draft and position brackets on the shaft as bell-cranks.

 

[8NAcres]

Scott - I will investigate this when I go out this weekend. This is a used tractor so it is pretty much "as is", but the sellers are a small mom & pop shop that said they would take care of me if I found anything wrong when they delivered it. I sure hope I don't have to test this if it is anything other than simple adjustment.

 

[8NAcres]

UPDATE - I went out to the property this past weekend and was able to take all of your advice and put it to use. Thanks for the info, it ended up being the small floppy knob by the floor was turned all the way one direction to the stop. I unscrewed it just a few turns and the lift started working in position control mode then. Not sure WHY the knob that controls the speed the three point drops keeps it from going up but it sure does.

Thanks all for all the help.

Dan

 

[ritcheyvs]

Great! Glad it was something simple and cheap. That knob between your feed tends to get moved from time to time as your boots brush against it. So it's a good first thing to check. I was not aware that this knob could disable position control while the draft function still worked. Learn something new every day.