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Would appreciate some advise. I am making an office area & in that office area I need electrical boxes. I have installed 3 doubles & my question is regarding the grounds. I have 14/2 coming into the box & at that point I have taken the ground & wrapped it on the box screw. Do I need to run a ground wire to the plug assembly as well because there is a ground screw on the plug assembly or am I Ok to just ignore that. I have attached a pic to help understand what I am doing. Thanks
 

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/ Question for an Electrician #2  
If you tied your ground wire to the ground screw on a metal box, and you're using a receptacle with a metal frame that has a metal screw that screws into a metal tab on the metal box you should be ok without running a seperate ground wire.
 
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I beleive you have to bond the device to the ground also. I always do when I use those mettallic boxes. Why did you use metallic boxes? Inspector 507 can clear this up when he sees this. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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I always run an additional wire from the ground screw on the receptacle to and join it with the grounding wire on the steel recptacle box. Technically the mounting screws act as a ground for the metal frame on the receptacle by bonding with the box ground. Screws strip and break. Most licensed electricians practice the additional ground wire method for added safety.
 
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<font color="blue"> Inspector 507 can clear this up when he sees this. </font>

Problem solved via e-mail /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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However, it would be beneficial to those who viewed this thread and may want to know. I suppose code varies not only by county but also sometimes by inspector. I always bond my metal boxes and ground my outlets via the ground wire(s). I typically use Buchanan crimps. I like the metal type that crimp much more solid then the copper ones.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I beleive you have to bond the device to the ground also. I always do when I use those mettallic boxes. Why did you use metallic boxes? Inspector 507 can clear this up when he sees this. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )</font>Is it necessary to use dielectric grease on the screws when fastening them to the box ?
 
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"Inspector 507 can clear this up when he sees this.

Problem solved via e-mail"

Yipee skippy. How about letting us all in on the answer?
 
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With his long history here I would trust Inspector 507's opinions above all others, but I'm sure he gets tired of responding - only to get attacked for his answers. I'm sure his email-only responses are a protective measure - you can only ignore the riff-raff for so long without getting discouraged.
 
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<font color="blue"> but I'm sure he gets tired of responding - only to get attacked for his answers. I'm sure his email-only responses are a protective measure - you can only ignore the riff-raff for so long without getting discouraged</font>

I've not known where this was the case. I do know that how an electrical inspector inspects my work can vary significantly. I've had inspectors teach me and I have taught inspectors. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I'm not a residential electrician by any means. I have always believed that dielectric is a good idea whenever you have it available. Not only does it prevent corrosion, it reduces oxidation and moisture migration inside the wire. It may be overkill, but it shouldnt cause any problems. Just wanted to add the idea that it it might not be needed but wouldnt hurt.
 
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Interesting grounding to the box, but not the outlet. It's rare to see anybody using metal boxes anymore, but I see them in remodel jobs I've done.

I'm drawing a blank the last time I saw an interior metal box that was directly grounded. I've always seen the outlets and switches grounded.

What would be the advantage to grounding the box over the outlet? Woudn't it take more effort to do it that way?

Eddie
 
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On my plastic boxes, I always tie the bare copper wire to the green screw ground of the outlet. No sense in grounding a plastic box.
 
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You need to ground any metal parts. In this instance, if you had a portion of the energized wire touching the metal box as a result of the wires insulation being stripped, you in effect have a box if ungrounded that is energized and could be lethal. For commercial, we still only use metal. The conduit is our ground. For residential, I try to use only plastic or non conductive boxes. While it is simple to ground metal boxes, it still takes time. I typically pigtail the ground wire in the metal box before I ever install it. You will notice that metal boxes already have the ground screw hole drilled and tapped. Add about 8" of ground wire to the screw and your set.


I still only use dielectric grease for aluminum. It is the aluninum oxide that presents the problem for elecctrical flow. If your metal and copper are getting heavily oxidized, you don't have a oxidation problem, you have a bad mositure problem that needs to addressed. I have had an electrical inspector make me remove dielectric grease on metal to copper and CU to CU connections. It was on some large hydraulic crimp connections on 750MCM CU. I was not pleased and now only use it when it is called for.
 
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<font color="blue"> On my plastic boxes, I always tie the bare copper wire to the green screw ground of the outlet. No sense in grounding a plastic box </font>

Thats good, thats code. If you have more then one copper ground coming into the box, be sure to pigtail the wires. Never wrap more then 1 wire around the ground screw. For residential, I always leave at least one ground wire long and use Buchanan crimps. The long ground wire is what I attach to my outlet or switch.
 
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Thank You as always, Gents, I appreciate your information !!
I have directly grounded the receptacles which was my question. Happy New Year
 

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