Question on Connecting JD261 mower to Ford 800

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OneHappyPappy

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Hello,

I bought a John Deere 750 and it came with a JD261 finish mower that needed some repair and I really didn't have a need for it so I gave it to a friend that has a Ford 800. The end of the drive shaft on the deck does not match up with the pto on his Ford. He has an adapter but when he puts the adapter on the drive shaft is too long. My question is will he have to buy a shorter drive shaft or do they make short adapters. What would be the best way for him to solve this problem?

Thanks
HappyPappy
 
   / Question on Connecting JD261 mower to Ford 800 #2  
It depends on what the problem is.

Ford used the 1 1/8" 6 spline short pto stub thru the NAA series.. as far as i know, in 55 with the start of the hundred series, all units had the newer 1 3/8" 6 spline standard pto stub setup. Both of my very early 55 hundred series ( a ford 660 and a ford 850 ) have the 1 3/8" 6 spline pto stub.

You didn't mention what size the mower was setup for.. but I'll assume 1 3/8 6 spline. If you would post what the tractor is

You also don't mention what model the tractor is.

My only guess are:

1, Tractor is not really a hundred series, but is a NAA. This is a VERY common mistake as the sheet metal from 53 thru 64 2000/4000 looks virtually identical to the casual observer.

2, perhaps the 840 model used a similar pto assembly as the NAA.. and somebody swapped it. I don't know if this would work.. i don't have my MPC with me to see if the assembles look like they could be swapped. seal OD and lenght dimensions would have to be compaired. I tend to doubt this, as the 8xx rear end was heavier duty than the naa/6xx rear end.. etc.

3, Another idea is that the very first handfull of hundred series made it out with a pto shaft that was designed as 1 1/8 before the redesigned 1 3/8 shafts made it out. It was common for ford to use up all parts that would fit before switching to new parts. I've seen 600 with NAA fuel tanks.. ( different fuel taps make this easy to ID ).

4, lastly.. could his oem pto shaft be so rusted, worn and eroded that it no longer fits the 1 3/8 yoke?

As for adapters.. If the pto stub is actually a 1 1/8 shaft stub, then he can get a small 4$ adapter from TSC that slides over that and brings the pto stub to full 1 3/8 dimensions, including length. This slide on adapter is designed to make the short stub be the same finished length as a regualy stub.. so there should not be any issues of the pto shaft being too long.. unless it was seup to be hitched to a tractor with longer lift arms.

Is your friend perhaps using an ORC as size coupler.. thus adding 6" to the pto.. instead of about 1"

lastly.. why buy a new shaft when you should be able to cut both sides of tat telescoping shaft evenly?

Post back.

Also.. if that shaft is indeed 1 1/8 pto.. I'd love to get pics of the tractor showing a closeup o fthe pto stub, and the center of the rear axles ( hub ).. and the tranny sn boss on the left side above the starter. As i said.. I've not heard of any hundred series that had the small pto shaft.. etc... I'd love to see proof of one..

Soundguy
 
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To Soundguy,

I believe the shaft is 1 1/8". It was smaller than the shaft on the mower. I know very little about his tractor so I can't answer most of your questions until I talk to him. I sent him your reply. When I talk to him I will try to get some of your questions answered. Thanks for the quick reply.

HappyPappy
 
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Did he put an adaptor on because it was the wrong size shaft, or was the adaptor already on it? Is it an overrunning coupler/adaptor? A regular adaptor is slightly shorter than a OC, but an OC is a good idea on the 800. As soundguy says, if it's an 800 then the pto should be 1 3/8" already. Worst case is that he has to use an OC/adaptor, and shorten the drive shaft.
 
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Okay, it is a 1 1/8" shaft stub. He bought a sleeve to go over the stub making it a 1 3/8". It may take a while but when I get down to his place I will take some pictures at the spots Soundguy requested and post them. My friend says he thought it was a 57. He has a manual that says some on the 55's and early 56's may have come with the 1 1/8" shaft stub. We will get a picture of the sn and center of the axle hub and post them. He is also courious now about what year it is.

HappyPappy
 
 

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