real world tractor costs

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Libertine

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TC40 16LA FEL w-QT & 758c BH
Don't know what you guys do New Year's day, but I spend it entering expenses, doing a balance sheet etc. Bought a new NH TC40 a year ago and thought real number costs/benefits for its first year might be of some interest. Guess this could go under owning/operating, or brand specific, but the general principle holds true for any tractor.

Costs: Purchase price, including sales tax, including numerous options/additions, FEL & BH (with a couple of buckets) = $29,119.27. I credited cash account used for purchase & debited equipment account. Initial depreciation, credit equipment account, debit depreciation expense = $9,119.27. Although it might very well bring more than $20k I am conservative. Operating expenses, including fuel, $408.38 (which includes filters, etc on hand for 200 hour service). No repairs except for $30 or so for broken BH control pieces. Total cost for year $9,527.65. Use was 164.1 hours which works out to $58.06 per hour.

Benefits: I had been renting equipment with an average daily use of 6 engine hours M/L. 164.1 hours divided by an average useage of 6 hours = 27.35 equipment rental days saved. At an average of $200 per day (bit less for skid steer, more for BH) $5,470 saved. I realize I could rent cheaper by week or month, but unless took time away from business that's not practical for me. Having it on hand allowed regular use a few hours in an evening, etc. In addition, I received $395 for a job I would not have accepted if I'd had to rent (used about 2 tractor hours). Other paid work was accepted but would have certainly involved renting and thus is included in the credit in rental fees saved.

Gains: Majority of tractor hours spent digging out tree trunks, spreading 100s tons of gravel, digging/moving dirt from one side of property to other (to level). Net loss to date in tractor account around $3,500. The big depreciation hit was taken in 2003, so depreciation hit for 2004 should be minimal. Increase in value of property from work done is guesstimate, at least $10k minimum, probably $15k and possibly $20k.

Other expenses: 7 implements/attachments were purchased during the year 2003 for $3,439.11, some for the project, others for future use. These were added to implement account which now totals $5,422.56 and includes 7 other implements used on a previously owned Farmall Super C. Implement account includes items ranging from a Danuser F series PHD, Landpride Rollover box blade through pallet forks and cutoff saw. Have not charged implement costs to tractor use since these can be "taken with me" if switch tractors.

Biggest surpise: Records show only 81.1 gallons of fuel purchased for a net use of 71 gallons. I keep thinking I must have forgotten to write down a few fuel purchases since this works out to less than .5 gallons per hour. This seems unreasonably low given the amount of work done. I admit I run the tractor at max torgue rather than max RPM (unless I need the hydraulic flow such as for BH use, or, PTO speed). But, even if I forgot to write down a couple of purchases, the fuel use is extraordinary. Fuel use was less than $ .75 per hour.

In any event, the above reflects an actual, real world, experience with one particular compact utility tractor. I suspect other major brands would have worked out about the same. It may prove of some benefit for prospective CUT purchasers.

JEH

In any event
 
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This was really interesting reading, and although I have kept a detailed budget for the past 14 years I never bothered to break down all the costs associated with my JD. All the expenses for it are lumped into one category: RECREATION.
Whatever funds I spend toward my hobbies don't need to be itemized or justified because I consider my dollars well spent.

That aside, I admire you for taking the time to calculate the costs involved with your purchase. One question: Did you actually purchase your tractor and implements for the value of the work you would receive from them, or was the "fun" factor also a consideration? If I calculated the amount of work I used my JD for versus the money it cost me to buy and operate I would be deeply in the red zone of my budget.

But if I calculate the enjoyment it has provided, and the satisfaction from the projects it has accomplished, the bottom line shows nothing but black ink.
 
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Hi...

Thanks...

Depreciation seems too high... shouldn't the depreciation be over the life expectancy for the equipment rather than an accounting depreciation so it reflects useful service life ?


Dave...
 
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Wow, the cost of doing business is great. I guess I dont live in the real world. I've always purchased to keep for life, so depreciation of the investment---if you will, was never a real concern. In my opinion, mine has always appreciated /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Ive always figuured that when your done with the payments, if you had them, then the item pays you back that same amount every month, if it was a quality item that isnt always broken. Like a truck or car I make payments with the intent of driving it into the ground, good maintenance and propper care, no resail, that way I can bank those payments in the end. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif My thoughts. Franz
 
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Without going into minute detail and using rounded numbers, I spent approximately $15,000 for my tractor and implements (package deal), paid $5,000 cash and $2,100 in interest-free payments (7 months @ $300/month).

Like you, I figured about 1/3 of cost for first year depreciation, which is not an accounting depreciation, but a real-world depreciation expense based on what market value would be for a forced sale.

Thus, I end the year with an asset value of $10,000 and a liability of $7,900, which means I'm still right-side-up on the purchase.

I had operating expenses of approximately $650 inclduing pre-paid insurance, loan expenses, fuel, service expenses and a refueling rig, which I chose to expense. Of that, approximatley $200 is prep-paid expense or amortized expense (insurance and loan fees), so total operating expenses for 2003 are $450, plus the depreciation of $5,000.

Total hours were approximately 300, so my expense per hour was a little over $18.00 per hour. Since all my figures are estimates, I can safely round to $20.00 per hour

In future years, depreciation will drop, hours of use will increase because it will be for a full 12 months rather than the 8 months of use in 2003, so actual costs wlll drop to less than $5.00 per hour.

Rental is not a good way for me to compute my savings, because while anything I would have rented would have been a lot more expensive, it would also have been more powerful and faster. I feel I at least broke even against rental for the first year, and will be way ahead in future years. What I have actually done is compared (roughly) my costs against contracting out the work, and I have saved handsomely. Of course, some of the savings would disappear if I figured a value for my time, but, like the others, that comes under the classification of "fun" and an even larger intangible value of having accomplished the work myself.
 
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Hey JEH,

Haven't seen you here in a while...I probably just don't look in the right place... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In my case I'm afraid to calculate costs related to my tractors...since they don't earn their keep and are simply a home grounds maintenance/hobby use...hopefully not too expensive over 20 years or more though! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I have a friend who is a landscaper. He had a Case 1845 skid steer. Kept it four or five years and traded up to a new larger one. He kept detailed records of the costs, depreciation, insurance, fuel, etc. His cost per hour to operate after he traded it in was $6.85 per hour. The trade-in value was high on it and that kept his cost down.
 
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JDGreen277:

<font color="blue">Did you actually purchase your tractor and implements for the value of the work you would receive from them, or was the "fun" factor also a consideration? </font>

Yes - work to be received was the reason purchased. Not that I don't enjoy using the stuff. But I don't have the kind of money where I can write a check for $29k solely for recreational equipment. If I wanted a tractor solely for recreation, I would have kept my old Farmall. Same weight & engine size as the new one Had lots of fun with that too. It just wouldn't handle a BH or FEL.

JEH
 
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Dave_in_CT:

<font color="blue">Depreciation seems too high... shouldn't the depreciation be over the life expectancy for the equipment rather than an accounting depreciation so it reflects useful service life ? </font>

As OkeeDon mentioned is his post, the depreciation I used is "real world". This was a personal purchase so accounting as you would for business, taxes, etc. wasn't relevant (for me anyway). I was concerned with real financial issues. Before the purchase I had x dollars in the bank. After the purchase I had x minus $29k in the bank. Therefore my assets decreased by $29k less whatever it could be sold for. Actually, it probably could bring more than $20k, but I tend to be conservative. In a few years, depreciation per annum will be close to zero. I have no plans to sell the tractor, I just like to know where I'm at. Financially, and I am talking strictly financial not personal pleasure issues, etc, but financially when I bought the tractor I took a pile of $100 bills (90 of them to be exact) and lit a match to them.

JEH
 
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I'm not an accountant, but think that for 2003, there's an incentive on depreciation--which I think lets you take 50% off in 03 for equipment purchased for biz then.

If that's true, your depreciation should be higher than $9K.

I'll find out when I talk with my CPA in Feb......

Best Wishes,
Ron
 

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