k0ua
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That was actually a good video explaining loader specs and geometry's.
Rear remote w/ or w/o draft control
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LD1
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Not a bad video but should have been 7 min long. First 3 min was a waste.
I can easily overlook a "sales pitch" approach to a video....because at the end of the day that's what they are. And usually messicks videos are good....
However I cannot overlook the first 3 min of him talking about the SSQA.
Does it reduce capacity because it pushes the bucket forward....sure.
But the SSQA doesn't change where the "pin" is. Therefore, lift capacity at the pin....or a reference from the pin (like 500mm)....is the SAME whether it's a pin on or ssqa bucket. And this video would have you believe "other manufactures" are lying about specs by not including that extra distance....but that's just bad info. But he is just a salesman and not an engineer, so I get it.
As much as people hate the "@ lift pin" measurement....sadly it is an accurate point for comparison of similar machines.
The 500mm forward measurement (close to bucket center) is just as irrelevant as the pin measurement for someone using a boom pole, or bale spear, or pallet forks handling a 48" pallet.
Sure the lift specs will lift a heaped bucket of just about whatever you want in it...as he points out. And to lift more is trading for speed or height. But fortunately, the bucket isn't the only attachment that can go up there. Palletized material can easily weigh double what that tractor is rated for.
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That's always been the point I try to make, usually with varying results. 'At the pin' is a great spec for comparing loaders but a terrible reference point for what a particular loader will or will not do.
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Thanks, guys. I have watched a lot of his videos. As with any of them, you have to wear your salesman filtered glasses to get it. There is some good info tucked in there, too.
I always figure that your typical use of a product should be somewhere between 75 and 90% of stated 'capacity'. Most engineers (or lawyers) have already factored in a cushion because most of us will try to push it. Unlike human musculature, metal doesn't get stronger with more use. Pushing the envelope just hastens potential failure. I understand the basic physics of a lift envelope. I also understand that max capacity at 104" is not the same as max capacity at 94".
Ultimately, I would rather have capacity I will not need, than need capacity I do not have.
I always figure that your typical use of a product should be somewhere between 75 and 90% of stated 'capacity'. Most engineers (or lawyers) have already factored in a cushion because most of us will try to push it. Unlike human musculature, metal doesn't get stronger with more use. Pushing the envelope just hastens potential failure. I understand the basic physics of a lift envelope. I also understand that max capacity at 104" is not the same as max capacity at 94".
Ultimately, I would rather have capacity I will not need, than need capacity I do not have.
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Getting SSQA and 3rd function opened up a whole new world of FEL attachments. I have yet to explore it like I plan to someday, but there are a lot of rental attachments available out there. Just being able to swap between low and tall dirt buckets was an eye opener - on a low bucket you can almost see the cutting edge!. Or when using rock buckets the SSQS enabled me to see that 2" vs 3" spacing made more difference than I ever thought that it would.
BTW, all our tractors have had automatic draft control....but I've never felt like it was all that useful for us. I prefer controlling draft manually with the lever. Most do; I think that's why it is always the most handy lever on on the tractor & right under your right hand. I know that auto draft seems to be part of most larger tractors & is for plowing mostly. Luckily auto draft is always adjustable for sensitivity, so I we always keep it in the least sensitive position where it actually does nothing.
Would I buy automatic draft control again? Well, yes.... I would. Two reasons: One is that all it has to do is save your neck once to be worth 10x what it cost. Ours has done that once. Secondly, automatic draft control is an archaic part of a total ntegrated draft and 3pt control system that was designed years ago to be as good as it could be - back when tractors were rugged farm tools.... not quite the same as being part of today's 3pt system designed when saving money is the more important key to sales.
If that last bit sounds a bit like "old fartism" then perhaps it is.
rScotty
BTW, all our tractors have had automatic draft control....but I've never felt like it was all that useful for us. I prefer controlling draft manually with the lever. Most do; I think that's why it is always the most handy lever on on the tractor & right under your right hand. I know that auto draft seems to be part of most larger tractors & is for plowing mostly. Luckily auto draft is always adjustable for sensitivity, so I we always keep it in the least sensitive position where it actually does nothing.
Would I buy automatic draft control again? Well, yes.... I would. Two reasons: One is that all it has to do is save your neck once to be worth 10x what it cost. Ours has done that once. Secondly, automatic draft control is an archaic part of a total ntegrated draft and 3pt control system that was designed years ago to be as good as it could be - back when tractors were rugged farm tools.... not quite the same as being part of today's 3pt system designed when saving money is the more important key to sales.
If that last bit sounds a bit like "old fartism" then perhaps it is.
rScotty
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