Request to any 1445 owners

[woodlandfarms]

Maybe this is only to you Peter, but could you do me a favor and look in your "manual" when you have a chance and get me the info on the Hydraulic pistons that run your Front end loader.... Whatever specs and part numbers would be great. I am going to replace my bent bar with something equivilant to the 1445 for a bit more oomph...

Carl

 

[ponytug]

Dear Carl, and anyone else interested,

The polished inner cylinder diameter is 1.75"+/-; the OD is 3.25 of the whole housing. Incidently, the curl cylinder is identical.

Of course, there will probably be an impact on your wheel motors...

Good luck,

Peter

Maybe this is only to you Peter, but could you do me a favor and look in your "manual" when you have a chance and get me the info on the Hydraulic pistons that run your Front end loader.... Whatever specs and part numbers would be great. I am going to replace my bent bar with something equivilant to the 1445 for a bit more oomph...

Carl

 

[J_J]

Dear Carl, and anyone else interested,

The polished inner cylinder diameter is 1.75"+/-; the OD is 3.25 of the whole housing. Incidently, the curl cylinder is identical.

Of course, there will probably be an impact on your wheel motors...

Good luck,

Peter

Peter, What I think Carl wants to know, is the number for the 1800 lb lift hydraulic cylinder . I am thinking that he wants to have the lifting capacity of the 1445. If it happen to be the same hydraulic cylinder, then the mounting position may be different to give the added lifting ability.

Carl, there are other things you have to know, such as the closed length, the extended length, etc. You can always take a larger hydraulic cylinder and if the length and end fittings are correct, you will have more lifting capacity. If things are not figured correctly, and you use the a different cylinder , such as from a 1445, you risk the possibility of the PT pucker more than you want.

Peter, I would be curious if your 1445 could lift say a pallet of cement blocks weighing in at 1800 lbs. My reason for asking, is does PT figure the lifting capacity from the quick-attach plate, or, would it include the width of a standard pallet, loaded to the max? To me, a safe weight would be what ever weight that allows all 4 wheels to stay on the ground. You probably know that those cylinders are capable of lifting much greater loads, but that is another story.

 

[ponytug]

Dear J.J.,

Excuse me for asking, oh hydraulic wizard, but what is
"the number" ?

Bear in mind that I am a complete hydraulic neophyte; I mean I get the theory, but I wouldn't know a JIC from a flare nut, or Parker flat face coupler from an Eaton without recourse to reference books.

I can go measure the lift geometry, i.e. hinge point to cylinder attachment, cylinder attacment to Q/A, plus the contracted and extended cylinder length.

I will let you know when I get a defined load of something. Right now, all that I have is earth and hay bales, neither of which I know the exact weight of.

J.J. Isn't your 1445 about 1997 vintaqge? I don't have recent numbers, but in an older article about the 1997 2445,

"The lift arms are equipped with a hydraulically operated self-leveling rollover arm designed to hold an attachment level during lifting. The bucket is rated at 3200 lb. of breakout force and is operated by two 2 in. bore x 18 in. stroke lift cylinders and one 2 in. bore x 18 in. stroke tilt and rollover cylinder. The arms are designed to lift 2600 lb. but are SAE rated to 1300 lb. at the center of the forks. The arms can be raised 108 in. and are designed to accommodate all the attachments with the connection of only three pins and two hydraulic hoses. Two quick couplers, located on the lifting arms are designed to easily connect the attachments to the hydraulic system."​

That sounds to me like PT used to use SAE methods. J.J. is yours rated at 1800 or 1300lbs?

The article also mentions that the drive pump is by Sauer-Sundstrand, and the wheel motors are by eaton.

I can tell you that like other PTs, it will lift the backend if you try to lift something sufficiently heavy.

I am still trying to learn traction techniques on loose soil and slick grass. I am taking it really slow right now and giving obstacles lots of room. Know any good 3rd party hydraulic winches?

All the best,

Peter

Peter, What I think Carl wants to know, is the number for the 1800 lb lift hydraulic cylinder . I am thinking that he wants to have the lifting capacity of the 1445. If it happen to be the same hydraulic cylinder, then the mounting position may be different to give the added lifting ability.

Carl, there are other things you have to know, such as the closed length, the extended length, etc. You can always take a larger hydraulic cylinder and if the length and end fittings are correct, you will have more lifting capacity. If things are not figured correctly, and you use the a different cylinder , such as from a 1445, you risk the possibility of the PT pucker more than you want.

Peter, I would be curious if your 1445 could lift say a pallet of cement blocks weighing in at 1800 lbs. My reason for asking, is does PT figure the lifting capacity from the quick-attach plate, or, would it include the width of a standard pallet, loaded to the max? To me, a safe weight would be what ever weight that allows all 4 wheels to stay on the ground. You probably know that those cylinders are capable of lifting much greater loads, but that is another story.

 

[woodlandfarms]

Hey guys... Thanks for all the info. I've been on computer hiatus cause the wife would have killed me if I checked my email.. Man it was a tough withdrawal...

OK, this said, quick question. Do you think I need to find a piston that has the same connectors on the end like PT's? I wonder why they have those kind of connectors anyway?

Love some insight on this odd subject.

Carl

 

[Barryh]

Dear J.J.,

Excuse me for asking, oh hydraulic wizard, but what is
"the number" ?

Bear in mind that I am a complete hydraulic neophyte; I mean I get the theory, but I wouldn't know a JIC from a flare nut, or Parker flat face coupler from an Eaton without recourse to reference books.

I can go measure the lift geometry, i.e. hinge point to cylinder attachment, cylinder attacment to Q/A, plus the contracted and extended cylinder length.

I will let you know when I get a defined load of something. Right now, all that I have is earth and hay bales, neither of which I know the exact weight of.

J.J. Isn't your 1445 about 1997 vintaqge? I don't have recent numbers, but in an older article about the 1997 2445,

"The lift arms are equipped with a hydraulically operated self-leveling rollover arm designed to hold an attachment level during lifting. The bucket is rated at 3200 lb. of breakout force and is operated by two 2 in. bore x 18 in. stroke lift cylinders and one 2 in. bore x 18 in. stroke tilt and rollover cylinder. The arms are designed to lift 2600 lb. but are SAE rated to 1300 lb. at the center of the forks. The arms can be raised 108 in. and are designed to accommodate all the attachments with the connection of only three pins and two hydraulic hoses. Two quick couplers, located on the lifting arms are designed to easily connect the attachments to the hydraulic system."​

That sounds to me like PT used to use SAE methods. J.J. is yours rated at 1800 or 1300lbs?

The article also mentions that the drive pump is by Sauer-Sundstrand, and the wheel motors are by eaton.

I can tell you that like other PTs, it will lift the backend if you try to lift something sufficiently heavy.

I am still trying to learn traction techniques on loose soil and slick grass. I am taking it really slow right now and giving obstacles lots of room. Know any good 3rd party hydraulic winches?

All the best,

Peter

Not to be insensitive here, but after reading a lot of these threads and hearing about all of the problems that have been cropping up with the larger machines. I'm starting to get the impression that the vintage machines are better built and constructed than the newer ones their turning out.

 

[ponytug]

Dear Barry,

I think that there might be a strong survivor effect here. If you are still running a 1997 PT, it must have been a non-lemon, and you have the routine down. You have been through newlywed bliss and the seven year itch, and you have a routine.

If you are running a 2007 1445, you probably just bought it.

My Ford Focus didn't make it off the lot before it had its first failure- the instrument panel had a dead temperature gauge. Teething? Startup issue? Bad QC? Sure. Lemon? I don't think so.

Don't you think that the majority of the owners out there who aren't either r^Ha^hb^Hi^Hd^H enthusiastic PT fans, or without problems aren't posting?

All the best,

Peter

Not to be insensitive here, but after reading a lot of these threads and hearing about all of the problems that have been cropping up with the larger machines. I'm starting to get the impression that the vintage machines are better built and constructed than the newer ones their turning out.

 

[J_J]

Not to be insensitive here, but after reading a lot of these threads and hearing about all of the problems that have been cropping up with the larger machines. I'm starting to get the impression that the vintage machines are better built and constructed than the newer ones their turning out.

Peter, I really don't know the age on my 1445, I am thinking early 90's. I seem to have the only unit of its kind, a gas powered unit with radiator, and the old three point hook up. Even PT can not tell me anything about it. They still have a parts break down on it. I don't even know if that is correct, for they have sent me the wrong parts. I believe my lifting capacity is 1200 lbs. I know my tram pump is an Eaton. and the PTO is Eaton, and the steering and lift pump is a Haldex. I don't know what the wheel motors are.

Someone asked about the[ number] , I am talking about the cylinder description, and it looks something like this. 2.5X8X1.25 , with 3/4 swivel eye ends. It would say something like 18 in closed and 26 in extended. This means that the inside cylinder bore is 2.5 in, stroke is 8 in, and the shaft size is 1.25 in. Pin to connect the cyl is 3/4 in. The larger the I.D., inside diameter, the lifting capacity increases. For instance if the I.D. of the current cyl on the new 1445 was 2.5 in, if you installed the same cylinder with an I.D. of 3.5 in, your lifting force would go from a push force of 14,726 lbs, to a push force of 28,863 lbs. The pull force will always be a little less. I am thinking that the lifting capacity is determined by the tip over ratio. Which means that the safe lifting capacity is determined by the fact that all 4 tires should be on the ground with enough force to give some steering capability. I don't doubt that all the cylinders used on the PT are capability of lifting more. To prove this, you would have to tie the rear end down, and do your own test.

See if this is logical, say you are lifting something, and the back wheels come off the ground, say almost balanced, then if you were to place 100 lbs on the back, do you think that you could also place another 100 lbs on the front, and have the same balance. As to whether the wheel motors can take that kind of load on a regulator basis, I just don't know.

 

[J_J]

Hey guys... Thanks for all the info. I've been on computer hiatus cause the wife would have killed me if I checked my email.. Man it was a tough withdrawal...

OK, this said, quick question. Do you think I need to find a piston that has the same connectors on the end like PT's? I wonder why they have those kind of connectors anyway?

Love some insight on this odd subject.

Carl

Carl, I am thinking that when you say piston, you probably are asking about the hydraulic cylinder as a whole. The piston is just one of the parts inside he cylinder. Bailey catalog and web site would be a good reference for you. Baileynet.com can make you any kind of cylinder you want. They also have a good supply of hyd motors and pumps, and anything dealing with hydraulics. I have ordered parts from them, and the quality and prices are good.

On the Swivel eye ends on the hydraulic cylinders, most of the time the cylinders with the swivel ends are used in a situation when there is some side play, like on the 3ph on tractors. On the PT, I don't see the need for the swivel type ends. It seems like a good way for the Power-Trac to increase revenue by installing propriety type cylinders. Where are you going to get parts for those cylinders, only from PT. Have you noticed that PT is reluctant to give out part numbers and names of the products they sell. I have compared their prices, and I can usually get it for less, and then you have that #@$%^$%#@ min order..

 

[Barryh]

Dear Barry,

I think that there might be a strong survivor effect here. If you are still running a 1997 PT, it must have been a non-lemon, and you have the routine down. You have been through newlywed bliss and the seven year itch, and you have a routine.

If you are running a 2007 1445, you probably just bought it.

My Ford Focus didn't make it off the lot before it had its first failure- the instrument panel had a dead temperature gauge. Teething? Startup issue? Bad QC? Sure. Lemon? I don't think so.

Don't you think that the majority of the owners out there who aren't either r^Ha^hb^Hi^Hd^H enthusiastic PT fans, or without problems aren't posting?

All the best,

Peter

Well to keep this informative thread on track, I won't say what I really think. I believe my thoughts have already been stated on Chris's thread anyway. Very nice looking PT you have there. As you were.