Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer?

   / Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer? #11  
I have a tandem axle aluminum trailer w/surge brakes. I have had no problems with the trailer or brakes. The surge brake on my trailer has an electrical switch, with lead wire coupled to the connector for the lights, that unlocks the brake when backing up. When truck is in reverse circuit is open and so are brakes.

The trailer I have is a 16ft Triton.
 
   / Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer? #12  
I have a 20 ft fleatbed tandum axle with 4 ft plywood sides that i use for my moving and hauling my kubota w/BH and it has surge brakes on the front axle. Stops like a charm. When i bought it 2 years ago, it was abused and hurt. Both axles and ramps were bent from overloading. I straingtened both ramps which has a 4" bow and the axles which had a 3" bow on a steel beam and a 12 ton bottle Jack.

The master cylinder would leak the fluid out in 3 days. Used it like that for both yeqars by filling it up when i used it. stopped fine. Finally replaced the master cylinder when a brake line broke at the flair. Reflaired the line and its back working again.

I still like surge brake only because I personally haven"t had electric brakes .

Total cost of trailer reparis since ownership:

bottle Jack 19.99
master cylinder 58.56
brake fluid 16.00
safety chains 14.00

total 108.55

Still like surge brakes for my use. I'm not knocking electric brakes.

arkydog
 
   / Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer? #13  
Most people (myself included) who have towed with both wouldn't consider surge brakes when electric brakes are an option. For use on a rental trailer, when the status and equipment of the towing vehicle is not known, they are great. Otherwise the electrics have many beneficial features over the surge:

No backup locking issues
Operation in reverse
Independent use (IE: if trailer begins to sway)
Better control of braking force
Legal for heavier applications
Less expensive to install/repair
No fluid leaks, air bubbles, bleeding

to name a few.
 
   / Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer? #14  
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Whad kind of brakes are on the back axle ?
 
   / Retro-fitting surge brakes to a trailer? #15  
The brakes not releasing after a long hill where the brakes got hot is a indication that the brake fluid has gotten hot also and has expanded. This in turn keeps the pressure on the wheel cylinders. In my opinion, I would have two things done. First, I would have the brake linings inspected for wear, and proper adjustment to the brake drum. At the same time, have them check the brake wheel cylinders for leaking and other abnormalities. If all is well, then have them change out the brake fluid and replace with new high temperature rated disk brake fluid. Don't remember which one it is, but brake fluid is rated by "DOT #". Also, since all brake fluid is hygroscopic in nature, it should be replaced every two years by having the brake system bleed and refilled with the same type of fluid. Before anyone takes the previous statement to task, there is one exception to the hygroscopic rule. That is silicone brake fluid. This fluid is extremely good for trailer applications, however, all hydraulic parts of the system must be rebuilt before using silicone brake fluid. Once silicone brake fluid is installed, there is no need to change it at all. The only thing to do is watch the brake lines for rusting from the outside to the inside. With standard brake fluid, since it is hygroscopic, you have to be concerned with the brake lines rusting from the inside to the outside. This is a greater concern with older equipment. Any brake system that uses hygroscopic brake fluid that hasn't been changed regularly will eventually have the lines rust out from the inside. The best way to check the brake lines on a surge brake trailer is to do a 10 mph panic stop on a secluded road. Do this two or three times and if there is a weak line, it will blow out usually. Better to have this happen under a controlled situation than happen on the road when you most need the brakes. There is nothing worse than having the trailer steering the tow vehicle. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 

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