Reversed Rims On The PT-425

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SnowRidge

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Now that Fourteen has reversed his rims, I vote we have a thread on the subject. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I'm curious as to how wide the new stance is, and how it will impact 48" wide implements. So Fourteen, care to measure the reversed width for us? Curious PTers want to know. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SnowRidge
 
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How will it affect the life of the tire motors?
 
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I no longer own a gas model PT, but I do own a 1430 and 2445. However, I had a 1425, early to mid '90s version, and had the wheels turned wide for over 500 hours with no trouble at all. We used this machine daily for landscape work and rode with the rear in the air many times through out the day. That machine held up beautifully, so I would say go ahead and do it, if I buy another gas model, that will be the first thing that I do!

Bill
 
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I can't reverse mine because it just fits through my 48" gate now. I have about an inch and a half on each side to spare.
 
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"" Curious PTers want to know. ""


PT-425 Bar Tires: 52".

Bar to Tub: 4.5".


Brush Cutter: 48.5".

LM Bucket: 49".

Grapple Bucket: 46".

Forks: 19".

Potato Digger: 10".

MiniHoe: 9.5".

Stump Grinder: 1".

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No problem!! Reverse the rims AFTER you go through the gate!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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"" the wheels turned wide for over 500 hours with no trouble at all ""

Thanks for the endorsement!!

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"" How will it affect the life of the tire motors? ""


Perhaps, a little, but only in unique situations.
Visualize that the footprint at the wide wheel setting overlaps the footprint of the narrow wheel setting by 67%, since the inner 7" of the wide setting sits on the same ground as the outer 7" of the narrow setting.
When sitting on a flat hard surface, there would be little, if any, added stress because the wide stiff tire would resist any slight leverage effect, and the position of the hub/wheel interface has not been changed.
Now visualize the tire riding lengthwise along a 1" diameter pipe. In this unique situation the wheel can rotate radially.
If the pipe was positioned under the shared 65% of the footprints, the hub would experience the same radial torque at either setting.
If the pipe was positioned somewhere under the outer 3.5" of the wide setting, there would be a slight increase in radial torque, but I doubt that it would be a significant amount, or that it would exceed the design limits of the motor.
This is a scenario that would seldom be duplicated in the real world, except, perhaps, riding over a small stone or root near the outer edge of the tire where the entire load was supported at that point, a condition which seldom occurs, and if it does, it does so for a very short duration.

There are many factors which can increase the wear on, or reduce the service life of, a Power Trac, or any vehicle. Liquid filled tires, for example, greatly increase stress on wheel motor shafts due to the large reduction in tire compliance.
I believe that the benefits of reversing wheels for SOME owners, in SOME situations, may far exceed any slight, if any, detrimental effects!! However, this is a decision, like many others regarding the use and care of a PT-425, which must ultimately be addressed by the OWNER for HIS machine being used by HIM in HIS situation!!

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"" If I had been using it with wheel weights and wheels reversed I would have had to tell them what I had been doing ""

I appreciate your honesty, but reversed wheels have no effect upon the lift capacity, and would not have contributed to your lift arm failure.

The PT-425 is very reassuring to use. If the load is too heavy, the PT will just gently raise the rear end to let me know that I have reached it's limit. Usually nothing bends, nothing breaks, and nothing pops or snaps. I could perhaps lift more with some weight added to the rear (1# added to the rear increases lift capacity by ~2#), but I don't need the hassle of maybe repairing or replacing overloaded damaged parts! I have learned it’s limits, and operate it within them. Figure out where and what you want to USUALLY lift, then select a tractor to do those jobs. Also you can just take smaller bites, or shorter logs, or few bricks, or whatever!! You don't need some huge tractor just so that you can pick up your house once every 10 years!!!!

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Thinking about this in previous Fourteen post, I drew a few "free body" diagrams and could not convince myself that there was any increase of force on the wheel motors when flipped. At the standard position, the torque on the bearings is just reversed. Also looking up the bearing force charts on the wheel motors it showed force from the negative direction was also just as bad.

Not wanting to start this debate all over, but it's been a while since I've had to use my college statics, so I may be overlooking something rather simple. For the sake of learning, could someone show me by a free body diagram or something like it that there is really a difference in force, other than it's reversed on the wheel bearings?

Tim
 

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