Root removal

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jmfox

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I'm cutting in a driveway that abuts large mature trees on both sides. Many of the roots are shallow and must be removed. Some have a diameter of 14". Has anyone here used an attachment to cut roots? I tried a chain saw, but there are many, and the combination of dirt and woods is tough on the chain and operator.

jmf
 
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jmfox said:
I'm cutting in a driveway that abuts large mature trees on both sides. Many of the roots are shallow and must be removed. Some have a diameter of 14". Has anyone here used an attachment to cut roots? I tried a chain saw, but there are many, and the combination of dirt and woods is tough on the chain and operator.

jmf


If you don't want to dig and cut, hiring a track loader is probably your best option. It won't take much time but you will pay for the trip out also. You may want to look around see if there are some other things to do while he is out.
 
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I don't think a track loader will cut roots that are 14" in diameter without making a mess of things. If there was someway to cut the root at the trunk removal would be easy and clean.

jmf
 
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Squeak n Itch said:
Just curious. Can a trencher cut through roots that thick? Anyone with experience?

GOOD question.

jmf
 
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14" ROOT!!!!. Forget the trencher. All you are going to do is tear the chain and other stuff up. That is going to get expensive fast. You are better off getting a track hoe in there for something that big. ANd it had better be a good size one if they are deep in the ground. I would not try to do it with anything else. Now you might could try about a 150 - 200 HP Tractor with a good ( and i mean very beefy) subsoiler. But i would make sure it has shear protection. But i still think a track hoe maybe with one of the root rippers would be the best option IMHO.:)
 
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jmfox said:
I don't think a track loader will cut roots that are 14" in diameter without making a mess of things. If there was someway to cut the root at the trunk removal would be easy and clean.

jmf

I've seen them cut some big roots with the 4n1 bucket but you're right, that might be a little to much to chew on.

I think that the shovel and axe may be the best solution. I've alway thought an axe was better than a chain saw for roots.
 
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I assume that you need to cut these roots? What kind of trees? Just worried that you are going to kill them but I assume you have thought through this already.
 
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The driveway is more important than the trees, but we are removing only what is necessary. This is one of the reasons I want to cut rather than rip and tear.

jmf
 
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Oh, how I long for the 60's when we could just run down and pick up some dynamite and blasting caps and make a day of taking out trees.

Oh... I forgot... he is putting in a driveway. Kinda hard to do after your place looks like it endured a B-52 raid!

Good discussion though. A track hoe would probably be the best option. Can really get at the roots in question with minimum collateral damage to the surrounding ground. A dozer would use a lot of real estate to get big roots out. Cost would probably be comparable over all. With a lot of patience and good operator, a good wheeled hoe like a Case 580 might get the job done depending on depth of roots and what condition they are in. I have done this type of work with a 580 before, but it does take some time and knowing how to use a hoe well. If you want quick and dirty, a track hoe would be the best option. A wheeled hoe would be cheaper by the hour and less costly to bring in. Get a good conservation contractor (one experienced putting in farm tile drainage systems) to take a look at the problem. These types of contractors play around with trees quite a bit and usually can get the job done in the least time. They usually understand root sytems and how they run better as well.

Good Luck!
 
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As someone who was in the tree care business for many years, I can say with some certainty that cutting roots that size will most likely kill the tree, or wound it so badly that some long term disease will set in. If I were asked to make a recommendation I'd suggest removal before they rot or die from stress after the root removal.
 
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That's only one, and I plan on taking off some suckers to give it fighting chance. I have 30 more with much smaller roots that need removal.

jmf

ToadHill said:
As someone who was in the tree care business for many years, I can say with some certainty that cutting roots that size will most likely kill the tree, or wound it so badly that some long term disease will set in. If I were asked to make a recommendation I'd suggest removal before they rot or die from stress after the root removal.
 
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As a dreaded "developer" who is always under fire about saving trees, I must tell you that the bet is death rather than what you think you will save, take them out now so you can encourage the younger growth. You are putting a driveway under the drip line of all the trees you want to save and are causing major damage to the moisture and feeding ability of the trees. Talk to some one in your area that is knowlegable about the needs of trees before you try to aceive your dream driveway, and then face removal one at atime as the years go by and compromise the look over and over again. Just my two cents worth from years of disappointed folks with good intentions.

Best, Neil
 
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I tend to agree with the above, you will surely kill a tree tearing out a 14" root. I'd remove the others as well if they are shallow root systems. They will ruin the driveway in coming years.
 
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jmfox said:
I'm cutting in a driveway that abuts large mature trees on both sides. Many of the roots are shallow and must be removed. Some have a diameter of 14". Has anyone here used an attachment to cut roots? I tried a chain saw, but there are many, and the combination of dirt and woods is tough on the chain and operator.

jmf
I've used a saws all with a special root /limb blade.
 
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Having a driveway work it's way around the trees sounds like a really nice way to enter your place. Unfortunately, it sometimes takes two years for a tree to die and until it happens, you really don't have a clue.

Several things that you might want to consider. With nothing there, like a road, you can easily take out the trees compared to doing so with a road in place. Once the tree is removed, you will be hard pressed to remember it. Once they are gone, they fade really fast from memory. A straight line is always the cheapest to build a road on, since it's the shortest distance.

If you are going to keep the trees in question, then hiring big equipment to do the job is always the easiest way. It's also the most expensive. Figure $100 an hour for a trackhoe of decent size that can do the job. Not knowing your area, or how much dirt you need to move, it would be easy to spend a few grand on a trackhoe.

For that kind of money, I would buy a few new chains for your chainsaw and just start cutting roots with the chainsaw. You can get a harbor freight sharpener to put an edge on the chain after you wear them out, but you should also consider the chains disposable for this type of work. It's really not that expensive to just through away the chain after you've destroyed it on the roots, espeicaly when compared to the expense of hiring it out, or in renting something big enough to cut through the roots.

Having said all that, and not knowing where you are, how deep is the top soil? In many locations, and in threads that I've read here, people tend to dig these very deep trenches for their roads, then fill them with very expensive rock. Most of the time, they dug down much deeper then then needed too, and spent way too much money on filling in the hole with rock. Then they don't build up the road bed sufficiently to allow drainage to get water off of the road.

When you design your road, the most important aspect of it is to get water off of it and away from it. Water is your enemy here and road building is all about getting rid of water. The reason for digging away the top soil is that it will continue to compact and decompose over the years. You only want to get rid of the organic topsoil. In most places, it's just an inch or two. Some places like the Pacific Northwest, it can be several feet thick. If that's the case, then you bridge the soil, you don't remove it.

Once the topsoil is removed, you build it back up again. Here, I have very good clay. Clay is much cheaper then rock, so it's what is used in all our highways, city roads and just about everything. Build up the road with clay, dirt, sand or whatever is available in your area. Just be sure to have it several inches above the surrounding land. Imagine that you are building a shallow dam to stop water. In places, you will need to put in culverts to allow the water to pass. This is part of keeping the water off of the road. Let it go under and let it go away from the road as fast as possible.

You can dig trenches along the road, and might have to. If you do this, you will cause more damage to the trees. If you just bring in dirt and start building up your road, you may very well save your trees by not cutting all the roots.

Eddie
 
/ Root removal #17  
Even if the trees live, there is the possibility of weakening the tree structure to the point a storm will cause the tree to go over on the weak side. That happened to me when we cut back to get a straight line for a fence. The snow and ice load over the winter did it. Would it be possible to bring the driveway up with a tube or two for drainage flow?
 
 

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