Rotella synthetic oil for New Holland tc30?

joseph39421 · Feb 5, 2006

I have a New Holland tc30 with 317 hrs on it, I have always used Shell Rotella oil in it. I have been thinking about going to Shell synthetic oil, someone told me running the synthetic oil would make you engine last much much longer. I was told that the engine used in the New Holland tc30 is a throwaway engine, after 5000 hrs its shot, iv been told its not worth rebuilding, just get a new one. I always change oil on time a keep a very clean air filter too, I put probly 50 hrs a year doing little things around here with it, I wont it to last long as possible. I thought most diesel engiens had sleaves that you pull out put new ones in it and your good for another 5000 hrs, why not thisone?

MikePA · Feb 5, 2006

50 hours a year, even if it last 'only' 5,000 hours, is 100 years. In 100 years, I'm not gonna care about my tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

cp1969 · Feb 5, 2006

( I was told that the engine used in the New Holland tc30 is a throwaway engine, after 5000 hrs its shot, iv been told its not worth rebuilding, just get a new one. )

Not to jump on you, just pointing out that the phrase "I was told" is used so often and represents nothing more than rote memory--the ability to remember what someone else told you, with without understanding why. To ask the question here will only result in more of the same--someone else will either tell you the same thing, in which case you will have two data points. Or someone else will tell you something different, in which case you will be back to square one if relying on the advice of others. Independent research is always better than "I was told..."

To give you another "someone told me", I will tell you that there is no way of accurately predicting how many hours an engine will last, unless someone does something stupid, such as leave out the oil. Then it's easy to predict lifespan. Statisticians put food on the table by creating things like Weibull curves in which they predict, with limited accuracy, the useable life of various things. Most involve long-term, test-to-failure experiments which are expensive and limited in usefulness given the variation of use that tractors will see.

If you use Rotella, either conventional or synthetic, and change it per the book, it is almost certain that the tractor (at least the engine) will have no oil-related problems.

Sully2 · Feb 5, 2006

Im with the other two posters 100%. I PERSONALLY went with ( actually will be GOING with) Shells SYN 5W-40 because its the ONLY oil I could find that fit the parameters that Kubota specified that was READILY AVAILABLE to me.

As far as the "throw away" idea goes....if the service manual has numbers for pistons and rings...its about 99.9% rebuildable

cp1969 · Feb 5, 2006

joseph, I need to make something clear. First welcome to the forum and second, I simply used your post as a soapbox to facilitate my "I was told" tirade. It wasn't aimed at you; yours just happened to be the post that triggered that thought in my head. I apologize if any offense was taken. Certainly none was meant.

Back on topic: Engine makers put sleeves in engines they anticipate will be overhauled a number of times. In the old days, even gas engined tractors such as the Allis Chalmers "D" series, even the old "WD" series had sleeves. Today, practically the only engines that do are heavy equipment and class 8 truck engines (semi's). Even the diesel pickups have no sleeves; they figure people will not keep them that long.

Again, welcome to the forum.

IH3444 · Feb 5, 2006

Using the Shell Rotella 5w-40 synthetic oil will indeed prolong the life of your engine, as well as reduce the start up wear, where 90% of all engine wear occurs, in the first 20 seconds after starting. Whoever told you that the TC30 engine is a "dixie-cup" engine, is full of poppycock, and doesn't know anything much about diesels. I don't give a hoot how much they may think of themselfs as an expert. All the New Holland engines are manufactured to very high standards, in a joint venture of Perkins, and the Japanese company who manufactures the engines. Stop worrying, youe engine with regular oil/filter changes will live longer than any of us. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

NewToy · Feb 16, 2006

cp, I was under the impression the PowerStroke 7.3 (DT444) engine had sleeves. They make such a todo over adding the diesel coolant conditioner that I always thought was for sleeved type engines. Anyone know for sure?

John

cp1969 · Feb 16, 2006

Are you sure you're not thinking of the DT466? I think it has sleeves but am almost positive the 7.3 does not.

Sully2 · Feb 17, 2006

( cp, I was under the impression the PowerStroke 7.3 (DT444) engine had sleeves. They make such a todo over adding the diesel coolant conditioner that I always thought was for sleeved type engines. Anyone know for sure?

John )

They do??? Ive never seen any material..or even HEARD talk of anyone that used a DCA in the coolant for a Ford Powerstroke. Its only needed for engines that have removable liners because of wall erosion problems.. Cummins 5.9 ISB series doesnt need it either

Sully2 · Feb 17, 2006

( Are you sure you're not thinking of the DT466? I think it has sleeves but am almost positive the 7.3 does not. )

MAybe im thinking of the wrong motor?? Are we talking the FORD Powerstroke 7.3 engine? It dont have sleeves...no.