Running a rod too hot

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What are the results of running a rod too hot? I had the welder set at 110a and rather than put back a partial stick of 3/32 6011 I laid aside earlier, I decided to burn it and see what happened. It actually looked pretty good considering the nut behind the stinger.

Ian
 
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I'd say 110-amps for 3/32 6011 is screaming hot! I'd guess you should be down around 50 60-amps.

Couple ways to know you're running to hot: Lot of splatter, BB size splatter is way too much heat, and if the rod stub is glowing red when you finish your weld. I've worked with guys who run so hot with wire feeds I think you could trip over the marble sized BB's they left behind!:laughing:
 
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I normaly run a 3/32 6011 at 75 amps AC. Seems to run it perfectly, and my machine is a 100% duty cycle at that amperage.
 
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Undercutting, which can weaken the joint, is common with current adjustment that's too high. Google undercut(ing) - several examples to choose from there.
 
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I'd say 110-amps for 3/32 6011 is screaming hot! I'd guess you should be down around 50 60-amps.

Yep, I usually run that at 50-55. I just wanted to see what it did at twice that.

thanks guys,
Ian
 
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I remember once a machinist brought me a coupling and said, "Run me a hot bead on the inside" to joint the coupling to a shaft. He was going to machine it out smooth later. I ran him a Hot 1/8" 6010 root pass at about 175 amps which really gave some penetration. He came back after I gave him the coupling and asked me what I did. I did just like you said, ran a hot bead in it. He said the weld was so hard that it was breaking his cobalt cutting tools on the lathe.
I dont think the weld was that good due to the lack of ductility from running too hot. Since the piece was heavy, the weld cooled quickly and was like super tempered.
Any time you run a rod so hot that you are getting buckshot thrown off, it is too many amps and the weld quality will suffer. Best to reach a balance where you get good easy starts, good penetration and small sparks rather than big buckshot sparks flying everywhere. Since every welder dial is a little different, each person will have to determine where that sweet spot is on their machine. There are guidelines for each size rod, but your machine dial may not be calibrated to the numbers shown. The new machines with digital amp meters,I have found to be pretty accurate when checking with calibrated amp meters that clamp around the lead.
 
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I'm going to guess (and it's worth about that much) that he was a little like me. When I walk into a place like that, I like to know just a little about what they do so I can use their terms and appear like I know what I'm talking about. Sometimes I ask for stuff that really isn't what I want. I just don't know it till I get the result back.

Ian
 
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I'm going to guess (and it's worth about that much) that he was a little like me. When I walk into a place like that, I like to know just a little about what they do so I can use their terms and appear like I know what I'm talking about. Sometimes I ask for stuff that really isn't what I want. I just don't know it till I get the result back.

Ian

Pretty funny, you see that a lot in the lumber yards.:laughing:

Are you trying any TIG with that PA 200 yet? I have a PowerTig 200 DX coming this week and I'm climbing the walls over it.

ps, when I go in a plumbing supply, I always talk really low.. don't want anybody to suspect I don't have a license.. :D
and speaking of hot, anybody else have that 'peak life' ad coming up on the side of the page?? 'smokin' hot'
 
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TIG? Heck no, I've got more than my hands full trying to learn how to stick weld. LOL

Ian
 

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