Schiesters and ignorant sellers

[pruntyc]

But Eugene, Yanmar does build tractors for John Deere, have for years. So that much of the story is true.

 

[Soundguy]

Technically yes.. but the way the info is presented.. it virtually makes it a falsehood... The statement:Yanmar builds tractors for John Deere and Kubota.. is not correct. Yanmar does /has built some tractors for JD.. though i know of no kubota tractors that had a yanmar origin.

A bag of incorrect facts is not made correct by have a few correct tidbits intersparsed... That correct info is dripped in just enough to make the whole lie believable.

Again.. I attribute this kind of behavior to ignorant owners.. or liars.. I have no tolerance for liars.. and as for ignorance? some tolerance.. assuming they come around when you show them the cold hard facts... though unfortunately many of them don't.. as they perhaps feel embarrassed? or??

Soundguy

 

[roxynoodle]

I, too, doubted Yanmar building anything for Kubota. I have recently seen Yanmar engines turn up places I didn't expect them to though, like a Deutz-Allis and a Bobcat.

 

[buppy69]

But Eugene, Yanmar does build tractors for John Deere, have for years. So that much of the story is true.

I was stating the sentence just as it was presented. I know they made some John Deere. But they didn't make John Deere and Kubota.

Eugene

 

[Soundguy]

Agreed... the sentencance is a 'false' statement, when looking at the rules of logic, due to the fact that both statements in the 'and' compound statment would have to be true for the entire ststement to be true. If any element is false, then according to the rules of logic, the entire statement is false. Had it been an 'or' statement.. a single portion of it being 'true' would have qualified the statement as being 'true' even if other portions were 'false'.

Still... I coun't those people as scheisters..

Soundguy

 

[LMTC]

Agreed... the sentencance is a 'false' statement, when looking at the rules of logic, due to the fact that both statements in the 'and' compound statment would have to be true for the entire ststement to be true. If any element is false, then according to the rules of logic, the entire statement is false. Had it been an 'or' statement.. a single portion of it being 'true' would have qualified the statement as being 'true' even if other portions were 'false'.

Still... I coun't those people as scheisters..

Soundguy

I am in total agreement with both parts of your post here. The latter is important, as there is simply too much information available to the person who will take the time to research it to allow them the luxury of being called "misinformed". I am convinced that one of the techniques they intentionally use is to mix a little "commonly known true" into the batch to try to make the rest of the information appear to be true. This particular marketing (newer model year than actual, higher HP than actual, ALL parts available through a domestic OEM, etc.) has gone on too long, and has been too consistent in it's supposed errors for me to believe it's error most of the time any longer.

And even if one gives these sellers the huge benefit of the doubt and allows that it is ignorance.....why buy from an ignorant seller when there are plenty of reputable businesses in this market? It's not a new market anymore. We go back to '94, and we weren't among the first....though most who were doing this before us are gone now.

 

[Soundguy]

I totally agree. It boils down to an ignorant seller.. or a liar. ( who wants to buy from a liar). And as for the ignorant seller.. why by from them. if they truly don't know what they have.. how could they have done correct maintenance or repairs on the unit.

Same with antique tractors. i love to see people selling stuff.. calling it wrong name / manufacturer, or year. Then they say it runs great and they have had it for a long time. ( if they did.. and didn't know what tractor they had.. how did they buy parts for it!!!! )

soundguy