skid steers?

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kosta

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I have a small ranch and have determined a skid steer would best serve my purposes. I live in rural montana and the closest dealer is new holland I would have to travel for others.
1) is new holland a good skid steer if not why?
2) I need a larger machine 160-190 would appreciate some practical advise.
price reliability are important thank you
 
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I used to operate a New Holland LS 170, awesome machine. The only problem i had was, since its so close to the ground mud kept getting stuck underneth the foot pedals and would have to pressure wash the mud out. Otherwise go for it.
 
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In my opinion, Bobcat makes the best skidsteer in the business. I have put countless hours on my father's 753 and can't say enough about the rock solid reliablity of both the machine and its Kubota engine. My advice would be to operate several different brands and make your decision on which one works best for you.
 
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I would 2nd Bobcat just because I have an A300 (and a 430 excavator and many attachments) and love it. What I have heard is that all the major SSL brands are very sturdy and that you probably will best make your choice based on comparison of features and dealer service.

Bobcat has for example one major feature that I could not do without--power bobtach--I can flip the levers on attachments without leaving my cab. The computerized instrument panel with its library of instructions on attachments and so many more features, is another plus.

And the all wheel steer is essential since I use mine in our grass areas.

Consider a tracked machine if you are going to be in mud much of the time. The usual SSL is not a big traction king (think "SKID" steer) and its R4s will fill up with mud really quickly!

Have some fun trying them out, and watch for things like KubOta mentioned, that might be a problem in your particular circumstances. I have a New Holland utility tractor, a Liebherr big loader, Mack dumps, a Kubota BX, and a JD gator, so I am relatively brand neutral.

And there are prior posts on the SSL selection process you can search for.

We guys with the free opinions are as near as your computer
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Jim
 
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Strongly, strongly suggest you read and search through a few of the threads here and on a few other sites:

lawnsite.com, plowsite,com, bobcatforum.com, and heavyequipmentforums.com all have several skid steer threads. Lawnsite is probably the biggest SSL thread place.

Good luck!
 
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Thanks for your input, I actually usually rent a bobcat when I need it have also tried a cat and a case. The new holland is closer thats all. I have no specific complaints about any of the ones I have tried I was hoping to get an idea on reliability, maintence costs etc. It is hard for me to tell with a 4-6 hr job what one would be on a daily basis. Thanks
Do any of these come with tracks that can be put on over the wheels? That would be perfect for me
 
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IMHO, maintenance costs are going to be similar but might vary depending on the dealer. I'm betting the major manufs have made certain that their scheduled costs are not out of line, but if you run into an unscrupulous dealer, all bets are off.

Like Wang said, see those other threads and don't forget that all important local buzz--reputation check--on the dealers you consider.

One thought. You might quiz each dealer on how good they are at remotely supporting you on things like doing your own minor maintenance. My NH dealer once ups'd me a diagnostic instrument to save me having to bring my tractor back in. Using it I found a bad part, they sent it under warranty and I installed it. Not the best way, but it worked out OK. Now I am dealing with a dealer closer to our new farm and things are fine.

My Bobcat dealer loans me a machine when mine is in (and can be slow getting it back to me), but remember that construction equipment carries a higher markup so those dealers are more inclined to help like that. Word on the street is that Ag sales barely make a profit, that most Ag dealers make it on service and parts.

Keep asking and we'll try to help,

Jim /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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JIm, thnks for the info, I suspected something along those lines between ag and construction.
Presently Im between the new holland( proximity) and a CAT( my construction buddies swear you cant kill the cats and that they are better than the bobcats- dont know much about the NH'S. ANy opinion the the new hollands, any friends who have heard Ive checked out the sites that wang mentioned stll havent heard any thing bad
Thanks Gus
 
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I own a skidsteer, finally bought one 3 years ago to work on my property like you I suspect. I am not a dealer and I don't own an business that uses equipment like this. I did own a Kubota tractor with a loader...what a mistake, slow and overated. Sold it to buy my skidsteer. I own another Kubota tractor to mow with...about the only thing its good for...but it is fast and fun to drive and mows great.

Started renting skidsteers in 1988...Bobcat...that's all you could rent (more on that later)...nice unit BUT...if you want something that will flip, bounce, roll over or quit on you right when you need thats the one to buy. These seem to be especially good at bouncing around loaded. They are too light and poorly balanced end to end.

I know more people who have been upside down in one of these. Don't know anybody who has flipped a Case, NH or Deere and the people I know who own them have probably tried. Bobcat also seems to have problems deciding on which engine to use or whether to use a turbo or not.

I have a couple friends who own equipment rental companies and they are switching to Case, because of all the problems with their Bobcats. I understand one reason you see so many Bobcats at rental places is because of the cozy deal Bobcat makes with the rental companies.

In late 2002 I rented a Case, Bobcat and asked two local dealers if they could provide me with an NH and a Deere to evaluate, all on the same weekend. They were all roughly the same size. Side by side its easy to see which one works the best. Veterans Day weekend gave me three days to decide if I could last long enough...these things will wear you out opertaing them for a long time.

At the time NH had just stopped supplying Deere with skidsters to resell. I really liked the NH seemed fast and easy to use. Good lift height. The new Deere ran really well and had lots of power. Really liked the way it looked too. The Bobcat was a turbo unit and I think the heaviest one I had operated up to that point, although it didn't seem light like the others it did seem off balance. Lots of power with good fuel consumption. The Case was a really solid unit, heavy to feel. I had to get used to the hand controls being used to the foot controls on the Bobcat.

I had lots of things to do that weekend, but with 4 skidsteers between me and my wife we got alot done, digging, hauling, lifting, towing, you name it. The rental cost me just over $500 including delivery and pickup of the rental units, but it was worth it since we got all that work done and we learned what we like and why.

To make a long story short the Case was absolutley the best unit of the 4. Prior to renting the Case I had never operatored one for any period of time expect when we test drove one on dealers lot. At the time I had no idea you could even rent Case until I asked around. Never found anybody that rented a Deere or NH, then or since. We bought a used 1994 1845C in early 2003 with a new 62 hp diesel. I got a good deal on new tires, a brush grapple, pallet fork and low profile bucket to go with the standard bucket on the unit. Since then its only had minor problems with nearly every one being mostly an aritifact of it being used. I unexpectedly bought this from a Case dealer. I can do alot of my own maintence, however the dealer also has winter specials on service and parts which has turned out to be very cost effective for me to use.

Hope this helps. The decision on which one to buy is not the tough part, finding the right unit once you have decided is the tough part.

Good luck.

ric
 
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New Holland has a solid unit, all the skid steer mfgrs. have pro and cons, personally I feel like I'm sitting down in a hole when I operate a NH and I cant see as well as I think I should be able to, the longer wheelbase on the NH definately gives more stability and smoother ride than some of the comprable short wheelbase Bobcat models, I like the vertical lift paths the NH has I'm sure other mfgrs. have a model with this option I know Bobcat does, and BTW if Bobcat hasn't improved the big vertical lift boom machine in the past couple years then it is still a weak link. Anyway if you like the NH and feel comfortable you will get good service from the dealer then the NH would be a good choice.
 

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