Small catastrophe under the dash...

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jdweasel

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I need to replace the ignition switch wiring on my Mitsubishi D1650FD (the wires burned up due to an apparent dead short). The wiring diagram I was able to find indicates that the glow plugs are powered in the CCW momentary switch position and when the switch is in "run" position. Is this correct? My tractor, of course, runs when the switch is in "run" or "off" after it is started. Why would I want the glow plugs on once the tractor is started? Also, If I were to pull the head, at is it absolutely necessary to replace the cylinder head gasket? They are rather expensive by my standards. I'm pretty new to diesel engines... Thanks.
 
/ Small catastrophe under the dash... #2  
I need to replace the ignition switch wiring on my Mitsubishi D1650FD (the wires burned up due to an apparent dead short). The wiring diagram I was able to find indicates that the glow plugs are powered in the CCW momentary switch position and when the switch is in "run" position. Is this correct? My tractor, of course, runs when the switch is in "run" or "off" after it is started. Why would I want the glow plugs on once the tractor is started? Also, If I were to pull the head, at is it absolutely necessary to replace the cylinder head gasket? They are rather expensive by my standards. I'm pretty new to diesel engines... Thanks.

Good Mornin jdweasel,
On my Massey 1040, the glow plugs are activated by turning the ignition switch in the ccw position. This position is spring loaded, so only can be done by manually holding the key in that position. Im sure this is pretty similar on most diesel tractors.

That being said, once the plugs have heated enough, and the engine starts, the key location is in the run position, I dont think you should have power still going to the plugs. Combustion is achieved through compression when the engine is running, so I question that diagram also.

On the head gasket, I would be inclined to buy a new gasket, just so I wouldnt have to go back and do the job over... JMO

Good luck
 
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I would stick with the factory wiring setup. If you change your glow plugs to cycle in the run position then everytime in the SUMMER the relay will close and the life of it will be reduced. I have done a head gaseket before I do not like going there. Think of your old head gasket it has already been imprinted by the orginal installation and you will never get that again.
Craig Clayton
 
/ Small catastrophe under the dash... #5  
As a general rule, glow plugs are activated independently and during the start cycle. Not run, unless they are on some sort of interval timer. Definitely would not recommend using old head gasket.
 
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Thanks all. I think I'll try wiring it so the plugs are only powered by the momentary. This tractor does not have any kind of interval timer. And I'll bite the bullet on the gasket. - j
 
/ Small catastrophe under the dash... #7  
Definately 'bite the bullet' on the gasket, and be ultra carefull on cleaning of the mating surfaces, as well as the torquing stages, and sequence! (2 cents duly submitted!) ~Scotty
 
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The little scotch guard pads work pretty good for cleaning the surfaces and not leave any scratch marks. If the block or head have any minor pitting you can use a good head gasket sealer to fill them in. There at differing opinions on which is the best but most likely any of them will work better than nothing.

As was pointed out to me, I meant to say Scotch Brite, not guard:D Oh well, if you use scotch guard it wont stain:laughing:
 
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I think you should consider using new head bolts also.the old ones stretch after being torqued.russ
 
/ Small catastrophe under the dash... #10  
The little scotch guard pads work pretty good for cleaning the surfaces and not leave any scratch marks. If the block or head have any minor pitting you can use a good head gasket sealer to fill them in. There at differing opinions on which is the best but most likely any of them will work better than nothing.

Good Afternoon Gary,
I agree, and would also add that stuffing some rags into cylinder bores, will protect them from any grit and debris that could get in there...
 

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