smoking exhaust

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Geddinight

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Syracuse, NY
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Bolens G192, Kubota B5100E, (2) farmall H
My b5100e smokes a lot after warming up. Monitoring the oil level doesn't indicate any noticable use of oil. Diesel engines are still fairly mysterious to me. My Bolens never smokes after start up. The owner before me states he had a complete engine rebuild due to the smoking, and the paint on the engine bolts bears witness to some work. A farmer told me one of his diesels always smokes. I know it's a wide parameter, but any thoughts from anyone would be welcome.
 
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Geddinight- does your engine smoke at constant and/or no-load speeds, or just when you apply a load to it and change speed? If it smokes a bit under load, that's expected, but it shouldn't be noticable otherwise. Try adding a fuel conditioner, like Powerstroke, which might help. Other than that advice, you'll have to wait for an expert to weigh in.
 
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I'm nowhere close to an expert...but...my truck driving/wrenching Little brother told me....any of the below in excess look for....

White smoke cold engine = could be moisture in the fuel - air in the fuel line.
White smoke hot engine = is moisture in the fuel - air in the fuel line.
Blue smoke hot engine = oil smoke.
Black smoke hot engine under load = injectors turned up...

Don't know if he is right or not...but he does keep some real POS trucks rollin' down the hiway /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

GareyD
 
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Hey, I had a similar problem with my B6100E. Upon startup at full throttle white smoke would come out. Now i've been told that white smoke is really the least serious type of smoke to see. Or it could mean a cracked block. I changed all my filters and bled all the lines....now no more white smoke. Apparently white smoke is when your engine is running to little diesel. Black smoke means ur not burning all the diesel. So white smoke basically means that your air:diesel ration is a little off. Try changing your fuel filter and bleeding your lines and see if that works
 
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White smoke with a cold engine means fuel is not being burnt and goes out the exhaust, assuming the engine is healthy. A cylinder that is mis-firing will give steady white smoke, or puffs of white as it begins to fire properly. When compression is getting lower, this is more prevalent at start-up. Of course ambient temps have a big part in this. It will stop smoking white when the engine fires properly on all cylinders.
Black smoke is indeed too much fuel for the air, for whatever reason - too much throttle for the RPM (as when the tractor is taking a load and the RPM's drop but the throttle stays the same), dirty air filter, plugged exhaust, build-up on the valves (not really an issue), faulty injectors or pump, etc.
Blue smoke is oil burning, same as a gas engine. This is usually noticed with oil consumption. Worn pistons/rings/cylinders would be the most likely culprit. This is accelerated by infrequent oil changes, or faulty air filter or intake hose from air filter. Father-in-law, a 40-years-experienced tractor mechanic, told me he once did a complete motor job for a farmer with a Massey 245. The farmer installed the engine himself (??? to save $$ I can only guess), didn't hook the hose up properly to the air filter, was doing some plowing in a very dusty field, started in the morning, stopped for lunch, and the tractor wouldn't start again after lunch because the cylinders were worn out. Dust makes a fine sandpaper. Not bad....5 hours on a fresh motor before it had to come apart again. Extreme case, but it shows what dirt can do to cylinders.
White smoke when warm is water in fuel (often noticed with a misfire) or coolant, which is steam. This usually doesn't carry far in the air like smoke does. Dissipates quickly in the air, unlike smoke that will carry a distance. Coolant can come from head gasket, cracked head or liner. Teardown required.
Hope this helps somewhat.
 
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I can't confirm this personally, but some diesel emissions can be affected by the use of SI/SJ standard gasoline use motor oil. According to some government bureaucratic documentation CF type oil is to be used in diesel engines, otherwise, the emissions change. I have used SI 10w30 in my tractor, and did notice a little more soot than normal. It didn't give it a second thought until I changed to oil to CF 5W40 and the soot disappeared during normal operation. A friend of mine informed me when he compared the output of my tractor to his. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise... Noticing small changes in output is subjective since some people will notice the smallest changes, while others will ignore it.

Overall, the color, density, and amount of smoke is very subjective. What one person considers unusual, somone else may think its normal.
 

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