snow plow hyd

[bullwinkle]

I have a question to you folks that are knowledgeable about hyd. I have a NH TC-30 with FEL. I also have a snow plow which i adapted a quick attach to for use on the TC. Of course I need to raise and lower the plow but can I use the bucket "roll" lines to angle the plow? I would set the plow in the desired position and then connect the plow to those lines. will this work? Will the bucket roll cylinders hold in position? The system is in good shape and nothing leaks down. Thanks

 

[kennyd]

Welcome to TBN

This has been discussed a lot here if you search around, but:

can I use the bucket "roll" lines to angle the plow?

Yes, no problem. Just attach the line from each off the cylinders to the dump/curl circuit. Be sure to clean the cylinders out first though...

I would set the plow in the desired position and then connect the plow to those lines. will this work? Will the bucket roll cylinders hold in position?

It will work, but you may experience leakdown with the weight/length of the plow versus the empty bucket. Also, it will be hard to set the "roll" and then get the QD's disconnected because they will probably have pressure on them when it's set where you want it.


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I had one myself but was never happy with it...I have since got a frame mounted plow and am a happy plower

 

[JDeerekid]

your dump/curl cylinders will not stay in place long. You will have to use some kind of chain to hold it in place. Another option is installing a 3rd function or diverter on your loader so you can use all the functions without having to worry about chaining things or disconnecting hoses and reconnecting hoses to do what you have to do. There are many threads on here discussing those options. I started to add a 3rd function to my loader but have had to put it on hold for a while as other thing came up.

 

[Mech]

I have a question to you folks that are knowledgeable about hyd. I have a NH TC-30 with FEL. I also have a snow plow which i adapted a quick attach to for use on the TC. Of course I need to raise and lower the plow but can I use the bucket "roll" lines to angle the plow? I would set the plow in the desired position and then connect the plow to those lines. will this work? Will the bucket roll cylinders hold in position? The system is in good shape and nothing leaks down. Thanks

I have a 3rd function run up to my FEL plow. I think you will find that you will want to adjust the curl. I'm very happy with my plow. Can't float it but as long as you keep a little weight on the front wheels it has never pulled to the side and with my wings mine is 90" wide.

 

[Bedlam]

This has been discussed a lot here if you search around, but:


Quote:
can I use the bucket "roll" lines to angle the plow?

Yes, no problem. Just attach the line from each off the cylinders to the dump/curl circuit. Be sure to clean the cylinders out first though...




I am assuming that the New Hollands are different than the Fords with the 'Regen" circuits? I tried this , and it wouldnt work, just like the dealer said it wouldnt becasue of the 'regen' system.

 

[JB4310]

Just thinking out loud here, how do the cylinders leak down when there's no place for the fluid to go when the lines are disconnected?
With my loader as long as it's running there is almost no leak down but if it's off you can almost watch it go down I'm assuming the fluid is going back into the system, but if the lines were disconnected?
It would be a pretty heavy load with that plow way out on front, seems like something would try and give.
I like the chain idea to keep the plow from dumping forward, not sure what you would chain it to though. but if you could get a fixed position you'd be all set, no need for the 3rd control up front.

 

[aczlan]

Just thinking out loud here, how do the cylinders leak down when there's no place for the fluid to go when the lines are disconnected?
With my loader as long as it's running there is almost no leak down but if it's off you can almost watch it go down I'm assuming the fluid is going back into the system, but if the lines were disconnected?

leakdown can happen one of two ways, the valve can let hyd fluid leak through it, or the seals on the end of the shafts can leak and let fluid go from one side to the other. in a newer tractor I would suspect the valves (or the pressure relief valves in them) as being the culprits.

Aaron Z

 

[JB4310]

After I posted that last night I was thinking the only place for the fluid to go is the other side of the cylinder when the lines are disconnected.
I just about ready to graduate from hydraulics school, kindergarten!
I am learning and am almost ready for 1st grade.

 

[dirtworksequip]

I think you will become quickly frustrated if you don't hold the blade curl either hyd. or physically.When you start applying any force on the blade its not going to stay in the positon you want or need.

Sincerely, Dirt

 

[kennyd]

This has been discussed a lot here if you search around, but:


Quote:
can I use the bucket "roll" lines to angle the plow?

Yes, no problem. Just attach the line from each off the cylinders to the dump/curl circuit. Be sure to clean the cylinders out first though...




I am assuming that the New Hollands are different than the Fords with the 'Regen" circuits? I tried this , and it wouldnt work, just like the dealer said it wouldnt becasue of the 'regen' system.

Other people with Fords and NH tractors are running snowplows, both factory and homemade setups. Are you saying that the regen cannot be locked out on Ford/NH machines? The regen is active through the whole joystick throw?

How are others doing it then?

 

[john_bud]

Just thinking out loud here, how do the cylinders leak down when there's no place for the fluid to go when the lines are disconnected?.

A cylinder with an internal leak is just a shock absorber with a small orifice.

jb

 

[Bedlam]

well, My idea was to as the poster stated, to position the bucket where I want it, and remove the two hoses to the cylinders.(quick disconnects)
And then attach one hose to each cylinder. My thought was that oil would flow through one hose and into the cylinder, And the opposing cylinder would let the oil return through the other line.
(Making the two cylinders act as one single acting).
I went to purchase the disconnects and talked to the 'parts' guy about the idea. and he said I think you'll have a problem. And didn't get into much detail other than the regen system would prevent this from working.
It didn't make sense to me, so I went ahead and bought the quick disconnects and went home and set it up.
It simply wouldn't work the cylinder would move slightly and then stall. I removed the hose from the cylinder and opened the valve and got pressure from the hose into a can. and the re-attached it. and still nothing.
seemed like it should have worked but I think the parts guy was right about it.
Either way It was allot of strain out front in my opinion and made the overall length of the tractor awfully long, So I opted to weld onto the front 'bumper' the bracket to attach the plow, and now use the bucket to just lift the plow.
the tractor is a ford 1993
I don't usually get much leak down on the bucket, but I dd some plowing with the blade straight and it wasn't long before it leaked down slightly, but enough to warrant hooking the hoses up again to level it.
If others were able to get it to work. I wonder if I had other issues?

 

[bullwinkle]

wow, thanks for al the responces. i am re-thinking my plans. thanks again i will remember how helpfull everyone has been bullwinkle

 

[Spike-MI]

I am sure there are a ton of threads out there on this subject, but a eletric diverter valve would probably be your least costly route. You just interupt your roll circuit with the diverter and when you push a 12V button (usually mounted to you joystick) it disables the roll and operates you angle circuit on your plow. Just a thought.
Spike

 

[JB4310]

I am sure there are a ton of threads out there on this subject, but a eletric diverter valve would probably be your least costly route. You just interupt your roll circuit with the diverter and when you push a 12V button (usually mounted to you joystick) it disables the roll and operates you angle circuit on your plow. Just a thought.
Spike

It's definitely a simple concept, but I read kenny's whole thread how he did his and it didn't seem that easy to put it all together, I think he did his all from scratch, if there was a complete kit that would make things easier, I opted for the 3rd scv, don't know if that's an option for the OP.

 

[Harris53]

I just finished (yesterday) putting 2 - 12v diveter valves on the bucket curl on my Ford for a power angle snowplow. Come to find out they do make 1 valve with all the connections that are needed to do the same thing. With the switch in the off posistion the bucket control works normally, with the switch on the plow will angle and obviously no bucket control. Now my question is this, could I have come off of the pressure line from the pump and into a 2 way directional control valve and have the power angle anytime?

 

[kennyd]

I just finished (yesterday) putting 2 - 12v diveter valves on the bucket curl on my Ford for a power angle snowplow. Come to find out they do make 1 valve with all the connections that are needed to do the same thing. With the switch in the off posistion the bucket control works normally, with the switch on the plow will angle and obviously no bucket control. Now my question is this, could I have come off of the pressure line from the pump and into a 2 way directional control valve and have the power angle anytime?

Welcome to TBN

Yes, single units are available, they have 6 ports on them-2 IN and 4 OUT. As to your question, the answer is YES, you can add a new valve in series with your loader valve to have independent control over the angle of your plow.