Some one wanted to know if we'd buy an EV tractor

[Eagle1]

Point being that folks still buy corded drills. I see the use for EV in urban areas, not so much out in dirt road country. Of course population density here is less 10 per square mile so we are not high on infrastructure spending.

 

[IndyJay]

Point being that folks still buy corded drills. I see the use for EV in urban areas, not so much out in dirt road country. Of course population density here is less 10 per square mile so we are not high on infrastructure spending.

If I need to cut off a bolt or some other single task I grab my cordless angle grinder, if I am putting a wire wheel to something that is going to take more than a minute or two I grab the wired. Like I said, it depends on primary use for the tractor. Better suited to hobby farming where you are doing a singular task or an easy walk to the house/barn. Mowing 20 - 30 acres? Diesel.

 

[fatjay]

After massive bus fire, CT pulls electric fleet from service

One day after officials touted a plan to add more electric vehicles and buses to the...

www.ctinsider.com

One day after officials touted the passage of the Connecticut Clean Air Act, including plans for thousands of electric vehicles to hit the road, one of the state-run electric buses caught on fire over the weekend.

The blaze engulfed a CTtransit bus in a Hamden parking lot Saturday morning, sending two workers and a firefighter to the hospital, officials said.

“Lithium ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites,” Hamden fire officials said.

Two transit workers were hospitalized as a precaution after being exposed to the smoke. A firefighter was also taken to the hospital for heat exhaustion, officials said.

The bus was delivered in December and began service in January, CTtransit spokesperson Josh Rickman said.

“The bus, last operated on July 20, on routes 243 and 265, and was not in service at the time of the incident,” Rickman said. “Bus fires are rare, but can occur similar to cars. This is CTtransit’s first fire incident with a battery electric bus. Bus operators, maintenance staff and others undergo extensive training and safety protocols are in place.”

As a result of the fire, the electric bus fleet was pulled from service as a precaution, Rickman said.

“The importance of rider safety is demonstrated by taking these buses out of service and ensuring a thorough investigation is completed prior to any redeployment of the fleet,” Rickman said. “We have deployed diesel buses to make sure people get to where they need to be.”

 

[cqaigy2]

they forced us to buy insurance we don't need. I have coverage for pregnancy.

Who's "they"?

 

[Eagle1]

US congress

 

[cqaigy2]

US congress

US congress, what? They sell insurance?

 

[Eagle1]

Also forces you to be covered for things you don't want or need. Like prenatal care and child birth, that I can't possibly need.

 

[LFP57]

"I know it's here whether we like it or not." Therein lies the problem.
No, people were not "singing the same song" when gas-powered cars were becoming popular. Entrepreneurs expanded the gas-station infrastructure gradually and voluntarily in pursuit of profit, based on consumer demand. It was not necessary for the government to outlaw horses for transportation; consumers chose cars because they saw value in them. It all evolved naturally on the market without mandates, tax credits or fines. Same with the switch to cordless power tools. But today with EVs, bossy loudmouths think they have to force them on us because we're too stupid to know that they're good for us.
"If there's any extra stress to the grid, it's because of the number of people is growing." That is just not true. A few days ago, Rep. Thomas Massie asked Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg how much a family would have to spend to charge their electric cars compared to air-conditioning their house. As if to confirm the suspicion that these clowns have not thought this through at all, Buttigieg – the transportation secretary, for crying out loud – said he did not know. Massie, an engineer, then told him that the household would require four times as much electricity to charge their cars as to run the AC. So no, the stress won't be just because there are more households. Each household will be using massively more power. The generating capacity is not there, and might never be if the green nutcases succeed in shutting down conventional powerplants.
Yes, change can be good – when it arises spontaneously on the market. But this top-down insanity, if allowed to proceed, will bring widespread misery. Politicians always make things worse.

Unless one was there when they moved to gas vehicles, we' don't have any thing concrete to support if it was entirely a choice, I wonder if at some point, city leaders didn't begin to regulate what one could or couldn't drive. Try riding a horse on 5th AVE in NYC, would one get a ticket? if they did get a ticket, that law was in the books long ago, the only difference is State or Federal regulation. Yes, people were singing the same song and I base this on plenty of historical evidence to support all of the naysayers coming out of the wood work to dismiss the change. In case you were not around to experience the change from film to digital cameras, or the change to battery powered tools, there was countless naysayers, these 2 examples along with numerous other technological changes throughout the past 100 years and you want me to believe that there were none back then, really?
"If there's any extra stress to the grid, it's because of the number of people is growing." That is just not true" Odd, i just read a report that stated that with a 20% increase in population, there's a 43.6 increase in energy consumption, it's projected that by the years 2050, they may be 9 billion people, an increase of 30%. Based on the current population and a grid that was built years ago, population is not a stress?? For every person that has said that it's not a stress, there's dozens that say otherwise.
Massie, an engineer, then told him that the household would require four times as much electricity to charge their cars as to run the AC. With a national average of 40 miles per day and with nearly every OEM having a range well above 200 miles, most are nearing 300 or more, one can drive their EV one week before it needs a charge. One can set up their car to charge while they're sleeping, it's charging with reduced electric rates and less stress on the grid. So, with everyone's AC (especially during these hot months) running on-off 7 days a week, charging a EV once a week, at the end of the month, I'm spending more to charge my car? I know that in time, with advancements in intelligent chargers, the next generation in battery technology or in road charging, everything will work out. I don't know who Massie is, but if I want to know anything about EVs charging, etc., I'll ask all of my fellow engineers at a large OEM that engineer and manufacturer EVs.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Electric Vehicles, single-handedly responsible for the split of the Roman Empire.

 

[Raul-02]

Who's "they"?

Gubbermint

 

[Raul-02]

we' don't have any thing concrete to support if it was entirely a choice,

Yes we do.
Maybe you don't, but for those is us who are willing (and capable ) to read history there is a plethora of factual documented historical information.

 

[Raul-02]

Electric Vehicles, single-handedly responsible for the split of the Roman Empire.

It's true, I read it on the internet.
Then the Italian mafia, and the Illuminati, the Rothchilds, and the international cult of witches with John Todd conspired to crush the electric vehicle

 

[cqaigy2]

Gubbermint

They sell insurance to you?

 

[55RRR]

Just read through this thread. Thought ... Until the day of the friendly neighborhood ASMR, and regardless of the state of EV, I say thank gummint for tier 4, which should protect the sale of diesel fuel for my -- and my tractor's -- lifetime.

 

[IndyJay]

Wow... just wow

 

[LFP57]

Yes we do.
Maybe you don't, but for those is us who are willing (and capable ) to read history there is a plethora of factual documented historical information.

One transportation related example, the General Motors street car conspiracy, in April of 1947, 9 companies and individuals were indicted in the Federal District Court of Southern California on counts of conspiring to control a number of transit companies. National City Lines and others were trying to control transportation in 25 cities, specifically, street cars. In 1949, GM, Firestone and others were convicted of conspiring to monopolize the sale of buses and other items to companies they controlled. With GM as well as others targeting street cars and with the help of legislation such as the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935, street cars here in Detroit and many other cities eventually disappeared. This is a perfect example of a large company, who may or may not have had politicians in their pocket work to control what choice people had. The point of whether it was in the best interest of the public and if better options were made available is irrelevant, the powers to be dictated what choices the public had. Ergo, the public didn't have a choice, street cars are gone and if you want to get around town, you must choose another option! This is not all dissimilar to what is happening now, although the legislation is more direct, the objective is still the same and in time, my choice of what I want to drive will be taken away.
By the way, thanks for the condescending attitude and the jab.

 

[TimberFarm]

One transportation related example, the General Motors street car conspiracy, in April of 1947, 9 companies and individuals were indicted in the Federal District Court of Southern California on counts of conspiring to control a number of transit companies. National City Lines and others were trying to control transportation in 25 cities, specifically, street cars. In 1949, GM, Firestone and others were convicted of conspiring to monopolize the sale of buses and other items to companies they controlled. With GM as well as others targeting street cars and with the help of legislation such as the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935, street cars here in Detroit and many other cities eventually disappeared. This is a perfect example of a large company, who may or may not have had politicians in their pocket work to control what choice people had. The point of whether it was in the best interest of the public and if better options were made available is irrelevant, the powers to be dictated what choices the public had. Ergo, the public didn't have a choice, street cars are gone and if you want to get around town, you must choose another option! This is not all dissimilar to what is happening now, although the legislation is more direct, the objective is still the same and in time, my choice of what I want to drive will be taken away.
By the way, thanks for the condescending attitude and the jab.

Good example of how great electric street cars were operating and they were replaced with lousy, dirty, ICE buses.