spontanious combustion of oily rags

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Gots a question for you smart oil guys. I remember reading 9 here? ) that 'engine' oil, and similar.. are not the oils that spontaniously combust.. but rather things like linseed oil.. that break down.. etc.. causing heat / combustion..

Any light to shed on this? or is my 'rememberer going bad?

thanks

Soundguy
 
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All I know is that when doing machining in the past we were required to place oily rages in a metal sealed container.
 
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Any hydrocarbon source can spontanously combust due to oxidative degradation, the carbon chains are always slowly oxidizing all the time, the rags just happen to concentrate the heat of oxidation enough to raise the temperature to the flash point.

Always dispose of all oil soaked (dino or synthetic), gasoline, diesel fuel, paint, laquer (linseed, tung oil, and other hydrocarbon sources derived from plant material as well) rags and such in the proper manner, especially do NOT leave them piled up. If not, you are begging for major trouble.....
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Gots a question for you smart oil guys. I remember reading 9 here? ) that 'engine' oil, and similar.. are not the oils that spontaniously combust.. but rather things like linseed oil.. that break down.. etc.. causing heat / combustion..

Any light to shed on this? or is my 'rememberer going bad?

thanks



Soundguy )</font>

Actually..I think it has more to do with the..?? ( help me out with the proper term here oil guys) the "viscosity"..of the product

Linseed being much "lighter" than "motor oil"..if you get my drift? Heavy diesel lube might not..whereas "3 in 1 oil" MIGHT..that sort of thing.

As posted..oily rags etc..should be disposed of in an AIR TIGHT capped container. ( If you notice..most / all of those containers have a HEAVY spring loaded lid to close it off)
 
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The "search" function didn't work for me just now, so I can't find the old thread I posted to a long time ago, but I can guarantee you that the grease and oil you have from servicing your vehicles can spontaneously combust. One hot summer Saturday about 22 to 24 years ago, I changed oil and greased our vehicles in the garage and was using an old worn out white t-shirt for a grease rag. At that time, we had a special rack with a lid that held our plastic garbage bags in the garage. When I finished, I threw that old t-shirt in the garbage bag, went in, took a shower, and my wife and I went out to eat. When we returned, as soon as we entered the garage, I smelled something burning. I ran into the house and went through the house fast looking for the fire, then realized the odor was strongest in the garage. I found that, while I was showering, my wife had thrown a small bag of garbage from the kitchen into that big garbage bag on top of that t-shirt. I burned my fingers a bit getting everything out of that bag. No flames yet, but that t-shirt was severely charred and too hot to touch. I do believe if we'd been another hour coming home, I'd have burned the house down. Needless to say, since that day, I always do one of two things: either spread oily rags out where they can get plenty of air all around or I put them in a metal container with a tight lid.
 
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Has nothing to do with the viscosity of the oil Sully2, it simply is a matter of elemental oxidation.

The more airflow the more oxygen the more oxidation the more heat. Remember, even steel burns when it is oxidized fast enough, rust is simply slow oxidation.

Of course the chemical composition of the hydrocarboneacous material (dino, synthetic, plant, organic, whatever) in question also contributes to the rate of elemental oxidative decomposition with unsaturated hydrocarbons degrading quicker than saturated ones.

Any electrical activity (drills, computers, welding, etc.) in proximity to the degrading hydrocarbon soaked rags can also accelerate the decompostion due to the increased levels of ozone, which rapidly degrades organic materials due to its triple bonded structure.
 
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My cousin in NE Kansas owns a machine shop. He has lots of metal chips to dispose of and decided to smooth them over his driveway making a very hard surface. It worked great-but-everytime it rained, the chips would start rusting and they would catch on fire. I don't think he does this anymore!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Gots a question for you smart oil guys. I remember reading 9 here? ) that 'engine' oil, and similar.. are not the oils that spontaniously combust.. but rather things like linseed oil.. that break down.. etc.. causing heat / combustion..

Any light to shed on this? or is my 'rememberer going bad?

thanks

Soundguy )</font>



Spontaneous Combustion of Drying Oils as a Fire Cause

Source: http://tinyurl.com/c928s
 
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If you say so??... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif All I knew was it had to be "thin"..
and Yes..Ive seen steel wool burn many a times...using it for cleaning copper pipes prior to soldering and getting the torch too close..
 
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That's the document tht I had read before. it stated that saturaped oils like in petro products were not the ones that s/c at normal temps.. etc.

Knew I had read it somewhere.

Soundguy
 

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