square baler trouble shooting

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Hello,

I am a first time owner of a Massey Ferguson #9 square baler. I recently got it off of craigslist, and am wanting to get it ready for 1st cutting.

Today I hooked it up to my tractor engaged the PTO and nothing happened... I turned the shaft but the flywheel did not turn the baler. I thought I heard a faint gear grind sound.

What do y'all think I should do next?
 
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My experience is with a New Holland Baler but I expect you have a broken shear bolt near the flywheel.

Once you replace the shear pin roll the baler over by hand before trying the PTO.
 
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check for a broken shear bolt
 
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Thanks I will look for the shear bolt. Will it be obvious where it is?
 
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Hello,

I am a first time owner of a Massey Ferguson #9 square baler. I recently got it off of craigslist, and am wanting to get it ready for 1st cutting.

Today I hooked it up to my tractor engaged the PTO and nothing happened... I turned the shaft but the flywheel did not turn the baler. I thought I heard a faint gear grind sound.

What do y'all think I should do next?
First thing you should do is unhook it from the PTO, you have a lot of work to do before you get there.

Check for shere bolts as Hay dude said.

Grease it per the manual's instructions, most older manuals are available online for download via a nominal fee.

Oil all the chains.

Check all your bearings, rollers, bearing surfaces for the plunger and feeder.

Check your feeder/feeder bars for freedom of movement, any tangled baler twine in there, bent rock guards that rub, chain or drive system for function, and bearings.

If that's all good spin it by hand a few times

Next trip your knotters and spin the flywheel by hand to check timing.

Next engage the knotter safety manually or engage the needles out of timing and see if the safety stop works (spinning by hand).

Next, tie some knots. Spin by hand.

If all that checks out, then hook it to the tractor and spin it slow for 5-10 minutes and check for any heat on any of the bearings/bearing surfaces. Next bring it up, probably not to 540, but to where you think it would work and run it anther 5-10 checking for heat.

If all that's good try tying a knot with it moving slow, then fast.

If all that works well you can try to feed a few broken bales through and see how it eats/bales.

Honestly I wouldn't have bought a baler without having the previous owner demonstrate all this...while easy to work on they are not fast or cheap to repair.

And remember, don't put your fingers/arms/hands/clothing anywhere close to the moving bits!
 
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Thanks I will look for the shear bolt. Will it be obvious where it is?
Not sure how many are on your baler, but the most likely one to fail is through the fly wheel.

ETA as tempting as it is, use the weak grade that's supposed to be used don't grade up the bolt as that will just cause more expensive damage somewhere else.
 
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also be really careful when first running an older, unknown machine. Stay away from the moving parts and wear gloves & safety glasses at first operation. try to find a operators manual.
 
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also be really careful when first running an older, unknown machine. Stay away from the moving parts and wear gloves & safety glasses at first operation. try to find a operators manual.
A messicks video from back in the day talking about square balers said something like “your dragging a small factory around a field” and that’s always stuck with me as truth. A lot going on in there, new or old machines deserve a lot of respect.
 
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Awesome, Thanks for the help everyone I will start going through the baler tomorrow and do the things that sea2summit suggested. Chains defiantly need oiled they are looking a little rusty. I have already greased every fitting I could find.

I have not been able to find a manual.

Yeah square balers amaze me with how sophisticated they are.

I will take my time and be very careful.
 
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AWESOME! Thank you :)
 
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Awesome, Thanks for the help everyone I will start going through the baler tomorrow and do the things that sea2summit suggested. Chains defiantly need oiled they are looking a little rusty. I have already greased every fitting I could find.

I have not been able to find a manual.

Yeah square balers amaze me with how sophisticated they are.

I will take my time and be very careful.
Keep looking, I guarantee you theres more lol
 
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For the past 5 or 6 years I have been running a MF 3 baler (the smaller version of the one you have). Its a fine little baler but you need to take your time and not run it too fast and hard. Don't over stuff the bale chamber and don't over grease the knotter either. Make sure your blow the chaff out from around the knotter and be sure to empty the bale chamber at the end of the season. Also, when you first start trying to bale, make sure the twine is being wiped off the knotters. Have someone walk beside the baler and if the twine isn't coming off the billhooks, stop and figure out why. You don't want to have a broken part because it is not easy to find replacements. And make sure you really polish the billhooks with some fine emery cloth so that the twine can slip off easily.
 
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And yes the shear pin is on the large flywheel up on the front of the machine.
 
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Something is preventing the baler from turning. The pto shaft turns but does not turn the flywheel. The shear pin is there and not broken. Once I figure out what is going on I will buy the manuals. Just want to make sure there is no catastrophic problem with it first. I guess I need to pull the flywheel cover off and inspect, and look at all of the rotating assembly.
 
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This sounds really funny. LOL
Not sure why you think so. I just wanrt to make sure It is worth fixing before I spend $50 on the service and parts manuals. I do not think I need a manual to figure a problem that I imagine will be obvious.
 
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Not sure why you think so. I just wanrt to make sure It is worth fixing before I spend $50 on the service and parts manuals. I do not think I need a manual to figure a problem that I imagine will be obvious.
Well the manual should have a trouble shooting section....

Does it not turn at all in either direction? You said you activated the PTO while it was attached, it didn't do anything? Is there a slip clutch? It sounds like the needle safety catch but that wouldn't prevent it from turning backwards.
 
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Not even going there with this one. Activated the pto and zilch happened but the shear bolt isn't broken.... Me thinks it's uckered.
 
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