Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn.

   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #1  

wrcfan

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I was wondering how stable a supersteer tractor is with a loaded front bucket facing downward on a slight incline, especially at the full steering lock. Obviously there are limits to everything, but i'm sure you guys have tried everything there is, and then some! Seems kinda like a three-wheeler.
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #2  
Put the appropriate counterweights on the rear and you'll have NO PROBLEM. I speak from experience.
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #3  
First make sure your tractor has the proper weight on the back end for FEL work. Even slight inclines can cause problems going too fast.. just go slow.. keep the bucket low to the ground. If the incline is steep.. don't turn on the incline.. just go uphill in reverse til you hit flat ground to turn. Check your front tire pressure.

Edited: And oh... Welcome to TBN!!!
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn.
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Is the weight of the backhoe enough, or do you guys recommend wheel weights also? I'd prefer to not go with filled tires, that seems like it could be a big pain if you pick up a nail.
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #5  
I really don't care for filled tires (personal choice) so we use a combination of wheel weights and a 3-point weight bar to keep the front end stable. Haven't had any bad incidents yet and we really like the SuperSteer axle and the SensiTrak clutch.
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #6  
I have CaCl-filled tires (adds about 800lbs on rear axle) and 420 lbs of wheel weights (also on rear axle). I usually have some type of implement on the 3pt (at least 550lbs) which is about = 700 lbs on the rear axle.... all told I have around 1900lbs of counterweight on my rear axle. I can lift full loads in my grapple bucket and go pretty much anywhere without feeling like my rear end is lifting, at least not too much. The tractor *feels* good, certainly much better than with no wheel weights or implements (then it definitely *does* lift the ****-end up with a full FEL).

Note that I blew a front end twice using only the CaCl tires, so they're definitely not enough.... .... now I don't use the FEL for heavy work unless I have some implement on the back + the wheel weights.

My backhoe weighs in at 1400 lbs, which means when it is connected, my counterweight is 1400x1.2 + 800 + 420 = 2900 lbs on the rear wheels. Big difference. No problem whatsoever with a full FEL.

In my view, the boomer is too lightweight in the rear with a FEL attached... you definitely need serious counterweights IF you intend to get your money's worth out of the FEL. If you're lifting dry wood shavings all day, you'll be fine. Not so for wet soil.

You can also reverse your rear wheels (dish out) for a wider track and a little more side-to-side stability.

In the end your stability is 100% up to your skill and common sense as the operator. Don't do tight figure-8s at top speed on a 45 degree incline unless you want to seriously test out your ROPS.
 
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Bad Dog,

You forgot to mention you have a NH 55DA. Big difference. I was wondering why you were packing so much weight. Holy-Ring-Moly thats some kind of weight. You would be able to give a locomotive a run for his money. For my TC35D all I have is 540 Lbs counterweight on my 3 pt hitch & I have not run into nay problems.

wrcfan,

If you have a backhoe on a TC40 that's all you will need, believe me. No need to fill tires. Pineridge should be able to back me up on this. On the other hand, if you remove the backhoe, you will need some kind of counterweight for FEL work. I myself have not run into any problems with my SS even when I did'nt have counterweights. Of course any abrupt moves with the FEL will cause the tractor to jump a little, but I never felt any lift sensation on the back end. Now what the counterweight did provide is a much smoother feel. It does make a big difference.

My two cents worth !!
 
   / Stability of FEL with supersteer at full turn. #8  
Kozak is right, your BH hanging off the back end of the tractor amounts to like 1300 pounds of counterbalance which is more than enough by itself.

Roughly 875 X 1.5 = 1312.5 lbs.
 

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