Stupid barrel pump hose question

[PA hayseed]

I bought an EL CHEAPO brand barrel pump, and of course the hose was junk. So I thought I would just go buy another one. 7 stores and 3 petroleum distributors later, and I am without a hose. The barrel pump pipe was not threaded, and it has a 1 1/4 od. The local guy told me to thread it, neck it down (reduce it from a 1 1/4 to about 1" or 3/4") and use garden hose. He told me to use a garden hose end (nozzle) so I could stop the flow.

Does this sound right? I have learned through TBN that diesel is not nearly as corrosive as gas, but wouldn't it tear up the inside of a garden hose and put that junk in my tractor?

I only use diesel for this, and it only goes into the tractor (unless multipurpose fuel heater in garage runs out). I priced different hoses, and those reinforced ones are sold by the inch (hyraulic lines) and the cheap plastic non reinforced ones run about 1.50 ft.

Plenty of questions, few answers. Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the threads for the bung didn't fit the barrel. Go figure.

 

[KubotaSteve]

Sounds to me like you are going to have more money in using the el cheapo pump, that you may as well get a better pump set up for your barrel. I just got a Harbor Freight paper that had a pump with 4 foot of hose for like $42. It can be found here: Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices I ordered a different pump from them but it is on backorder so I may look into this one.

 

[Bird]

I had a 55 gallon poly or plastic barrel and bought a $25 barrel pump from Tractor Supply Co.. It was threaded for a garden hose. Now I've read on TBN that diesel may cause a garden hose to deteriorate and I'm sure it can happen. Of course we all know that there are lots of different garden hoses, different material, different quality, etc., but I had an old ragged half inch garden hose that had some holes near the middle and I just cut off about 6 feet with the female coupler on the end and screwed it onto my pump and left it there. In about 4 years, and a few barrels of diesel, I could never tell it had deteriorated at all. Maybe I was just lucky.

 

[3RRL]

KubotaSteve,
I have that exact pump in that link and I can tell you it moves fluid fast! The pump is great, but that corregated hose is no good. It got hard and cracked. I bought a fuel line (or hydraulic oil line) with 1" ID to replace it. The pump is on a 33 gallon plastic drum. I use about that much fuel every 3 months (depending). I've had it now going on 3 years.

 

[PA hayseed]

Sounds to me like you are going to have more money in using the el cheapo pump, that you may as well get a better pump set up for your barrel. I just got a Harbor Freight paper that had a pump with 4 foot of hose for like $42. It can be found here: Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices I ordered a different pump from them but it is on backorder so I may look into this one.

That is the one I bought, I think I paid 19 or 29 for it (was on sale). The hose was junk, and the hose is attached to the pipe by a hose clamp. The end isn't threaded. The pump works very quickly as 3RRL stated. The bung adapter was about 1/16th too small for a 55gal drum bung. I used some tape to tighten it up (not pipe tape, electrical). I found a bung adapter that works on my drum, but go figure, the pipe is now too big for the adapter by about 1/32.


Bird, maybe I'll try the garden hose. what kind of nozzle do you use to stop the flow of the pump. As you know, you crank away on the handle, then the tractor gets close to full, then it is like a mad dash for me to stop the flow and get the hose up so it doesn't keep flowing. Who wants to give their tractor hood a diesel wash?

 

[Bird]

Bird, maybe I'll try the garden hose. what kind of nozzle do you use to stop the flow of the pump.

For my diesel, I was using a lever type pump very similar to this one from Northern Tool except mine came from Tractor Supply Co. And I pulled the tractor close enough to the barrel that I was always pumping with my right hand and holding the hose with my left hand and didn't use any kind of nozzle.

For awhile I had a rotary pump on a barrel of gasoline and you could stop the flow on that one pretty quickly by turning the handle backwards.

 

[3RRL]

Yeah Bird,
I don't use any kind of nozzle either. I stuck the hose down into the tank. The filter screen in my Kama is about 4" deep and goes past the neck of the fuel tank filler.
That rotary pump works just like yours did. You stop cranking an it stops pouring. Crank in reverse and it would suck fuel out. I got where I could count how many cranks to fill up, assuming I was at the same low fuel level. About 40 cranks to pump 10 gals. So approximately 10 gals every 40 seconds or so at 1 rev per second.
I spill a lot less than I used to.

 

[Soundguy]

1, i wouldn't use garden hose.

2, The pipe that comes out o fthe barrel pump.. is it threaded? If so, remove it and find a reducer fitting that will fit it AND some real fuel hose.. either the rubber stuff from napa.. or the 'real' pieces at places like tractor supply.

3, as a last resord, I'd solder a hose barb on to the outlet pipe of the barrel pump of the correct size to fit whatever fuel resistant hose you decide to go with. ( of course.. remove outlet pipe and clean before soldering... don't blow yourself up.. etc.. all standard disclaimers apply.. etc)

Soundguy

I bought an EL CHEAPO brand barrel pump, and of course the hose was junk. So I thought I would just go buy another one. 7 stores and 3 petroleum distributors later, and I am without a hose. The barrel pump pipe was not threaded, and it has a 1 1/4 od. The local guy told me to thread it, neck it down (reduce it from a 1 1/4 to about 1" or 3/4") and use garden hose. He told me to use a garden hose end (nozzle) so I could stop the flow.

Does this sound right? I have learned through TBN that diesel is not nearly as corrosive as gas, but wouldn't it tear up the inside of a garden hose and put that junk in my tractor?

I only use diesel for this, and it only goes into the tractor (unless multipurpose fuel heater in garage runs out). I priced different hoses, and those reinforced ones are sold by the inch (hyraulic lines) and the cheap plastic non reinforced ones run about 1.50 ft.

Plenty of questions, few answers. Oh yeah, I forgot to add that the threads for the bung didn't fit the barrel. Go figure.

 

[DieselPower]

Like Soundguy I wouldn't suggest using a garden hose. Any petroleoum product will deteriorate it in time, some like fuel faster. And again I would do as he recomends and solder on a barb fitting of the correct size and then get some oil/fuel rated hose to fit the barb fitting you installed.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

It depends on the composition of the inner liner of the garden hose. Here's what's best for diesel fuel:
Nitrile, PTFE, Nylon, and CPE

Here is what to stay away from:
PVC, Neoprene, and EPDM which is too expensive for any garden hose anyway.