Sudden PTO stoppage

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dirtrustler

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Huntsville,Tx
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Kubota M7040 4WD
I would like an answer to the following: I have a 4WD M7040 and have 250 hours on it. I do some very heavy shredding with a Mod 307 Bush Hog and occasionally contact a stump or dirt rise that will stop or slow the PTO appreciably. Now, no one needs to tell me that this is not good for my tractor but someone does need to let me know just how bad am I hurting it and whether you are aware of the long-term effect on the Kubota if this happens on occasion. What is the predictable result to what parts of my engine/drive train? Thanks in advance for your responses.
Dirtrustler.
 
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I think it depends on whether you have a slip clutch or not.. If you have the slip clutch it is taking the brunt of the 'stops' which will just lead to early replacment of the friction plates (this is assuming it is adjusted correctly)..

With no slip clutch the drive train is taking the hit which could lead to internal stripped gears etc..

brian
 
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If your pto driveline has not changed sound, it is probably ok. In most cases, if everything survives the hit, it's life has probably not been shortened. There is'nt a predictable cumulative effect of high momentary loads unless they are high enough to cause a failure then and there. Shear pins and other "soft" external drive parts can fail progressively, but internal drive parts are usually hardenend and don't deform plastically under load. If the load is too high, they fracture and the game is over.

Over the years there have been several times when my mower has run into something that slows everything down - if it is a pile of dirt or something dense, but not hard, and if the deceleration takes place over 2 seconds or more, there has never been internal damage. Maybe a pto shear bolt would break, maybe the pto shaft would tie in a knot, but the tractor was always ok. The loads it sees are not that much higher than the max rated horsepower puts on it. Everything gets stressed, but nothing inside gets very close to breaking.

The risk of breakage goes up fast as the load increase becomes more sudden. If your engine goes from 2500 rpm down to stopped in less than a second, that's getting near breaking something. Also, if the shredder gets into a big rock and starts delivering heavy hammer blows to everything, the instantaneous forces are huge and gears can crack and break.

On some shredders, the blades are heavy a make a huge racket when they tie into something, but they can pivot so the actual impulse transmitted back through the driveline may not be as bad as it sounds.
 
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Thank you sir - thats the type of info I was looking for - not just because it makes me feel good but it comes from experience and a good understanding of components. I've got a sum total of 250 hours experience and even though I'm continually impressed with the raw power of the M7040, I don't want to be having to haul it in for a major.
 
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Its hard to nail down the question of how much of a drubbing these rigs will tolerate before they wilt, but they are pretty rugged. I notice I forgot to add the most important part of my reply: "as always, prompt cheerful refund if info is bogus";) Take care, Dick B
 

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