Sudden water well pump cycling

   / Sudden water well pump cycling #11  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( pull the pump. Which by the way is a two man job!)</font>

Ahhhh Von... depending on how deep the well is... could be a three or four man job...! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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   / Sudden water well pump cycling #12  
John.
A fellow with Patience, a tad of knowledge, a tripod, come along, winch or chain hoist and pipe clamp could probably do it himself. As a lad watched my father pull 2 inch steel pipe, pump rods and pump this way many a time. A fellow could even use the Fel on his tractor.

Me, I'd call the service company!

Egon
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling
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#13  
Just an update. Someone came out to look at the well.The guy that came out noticed that the pressure relay was not completely insulated and thinks it may have iced up some and stuck on. So he added some extra insulation and charged me $65. So I hope that is what the real problem is.

Where the tank is located is close to wall that is just a sheet of masonite and a draft can through there sometimes. So that may have been all it was. There have been colder and windier days than today, so I did not think of this.

I think the worst part of the whole experience was I had to use up a day of vacation, but it was too cold to get out on tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Thanks again for all the responses.
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #14  
Not to be condascending, but here we look forward to the temp going up to 23, so we can get out on the tractor. Supposed to be -10 in the morning. Tractor staying inside. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Good luck with the well. I would have thought that the system was waterlogged, which will cause cycling often over the high to low range of the pressure switch. Getting air into the pressure tank, rather than all water is the solution.
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #15  
<font color="blue"> The guy that came out noticed that the pressure relay was not completely insulated and thinks it may have iced up some and stuck on. </font>

/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif It seems to me that if it had iced up some and stuck on,,, then it wouldn't be cycling. It would run continuously. Generally speaking, that little 1/4" pipe that is connected to the pressure switch wouldn't freeze if the pump was building up pressure. That is the only time that the switch is in the on position. They usually freeze when not in use. You then drain the tank when using water and it doesn't turn on because it is frozen in the off position.

Beenthere mentioned 'waterlogged'. That was my thought but the pump doesn't cycle unless there is water running somewhere. I'm not so sure that your problem is solved but I hope it is.
Good Luck ........
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #16  
I agree with your comment that water must be going somewhere for the cycling to happen. Under normal use, I guess the system "cycles" but with a little more time in each cycle. A waterlogged system will cycle low to high real often, as there is such a small volume of air to compress before the pump shuts off, and not much water is pushed out when the pressure drops and the pump kicks back on.
If the water system waterlogs, then possibly the water in the 1/4" pipe to the pressure switch could ice up?
Sure hope it is fixed now, too.
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #17  
Did he check the pressure tank? A broken diaphram in a new tank or a waterlogged old style tank will cause the pump to cycle also. Once the tank is completely full any loss in water will cause the pump to cycle.

Eric
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #18  
Yo, Brantley!

Unfortunately, I don't have any sage advice to offer. What I CAN do is commiserate, since I've just had a similar experience. I notice that my pump is cycling constantly (at, say, 1 or 2-minute intervals) not because I can hear the motor itself (which is down about 200 ft.) but on account of the relay constantly clicking. Nope, none of the faucets or toilets are leaking...that would be WAY to cheap/easy. Shut off the feed from the holding tank to the rest of the house...still does it. Crap. Okay, so now I'm shutting off the feed valve and the breaker every time I leave the house or sack out. Really convenient, especially in the winter time in Vermont. Called a well-drilling outfit, and they inform me there's a checkvalve not only upstream from the holding tank (which I'd already noted) but also one down at the pump. For this to be happening, they'd BOTH have to be shot. You don't suppose it's got anything to do with the fact that the pump is bringing up silt, instead of water, do ya? 'Think THAT could foul a couple of checkvalves? Nah! Guy at the drilling outfit wants to come out and test for "hard iron" in the water, and is really vague about the cost for doing this. Hard iron, hell! I'm getting freakin' SAND outta the faucets. I'm inclined to believe that (a) I've got a broken well casing or otherwise compromised well and (b) I need to find another drilling company to talk to. Oh, and did I forget to mention that I'm currently unemployed? GREAT time for this to happen. Let's just hope it holds until the spring thaw. I'm really hoping the whole situation will "hold" until I can sell the house and bail out, but it's not looking good. For what it's worth, if you'll send me your email address, I'll keep you updated on what happens in THIS case. Mine's lortoli@sover.net.

Regards, Bro'...and keep yer chin up!
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #19  
Replacing the valve in the house is a 15 minute job with little or no skills required and two pipe wrenches. I think a super quality valve is, like $15 or so with cheapy plastive ones (watch how tight you tighten them!) are $3 or so.

Fixing the top one, or adding one if there is none, should fix your cycling problem, or at least dramatically reduce it. Either way, you need to fix it as soon as possible because otherwise you'll burn your pump out - they aren't made to cycle frequently. And you'll probably have to fix it if you want to sell the house anyway. Off course, electricity ain't free, neither.

Even the one in the well is a pretty easy fix, at least if a Pitless adapter was used and the well isn't buried (i.e. a 4" pipe is sticking up somewhere, or is in a pit like mine). If you have access to the 4" pipe, pop off the top and look if you see a blind female threaded fitting about 1" in diameter.

If you have a Pitless adapter, you are in luck. Make a 'T' out of a section of pipe (to fit the female), two handles, and a 'T' fitting. Screw the 'T' into the female and give a pull straight up. This will pull the fitting of the pitless adapter free. Keep pulling.

I make sure my pump is connected to a stout poly robe. A lot of people don't bother and let the wire or pipe hold it up. That way I can pull, easier, and I can tie the rope when I want to rest.

If you are lucky, the down pipe will be plastic. If you are unlucky it will be one type of steel or another. Basically, you keep pulling things up until the pump comes up. Stopping a steel pipe from falling back while you yard on the fittings can be sporting. I would use something like pipe clamps, but I've never had to deal with the problem.

Remove and replace the valve, and lower everything back down. Piece of cake. Shouldn't take more than a morning, unless you have steel pipes or its not a Pitless adapter or you can't get at the well.

Its not that complex, and the worse that happens is you call the well guy after you give up.

Good luck if you try it.
 
   / Sudden water well pump cycling #20  
Boustany, my man!

Many thanks for the reply. I will indeed try your suggestions, though it may be a while, since I'm now PARTIALLY employed. And it's still somewhat chilly down here. In any case, 'will keep you and the rest of the TBN crew advised on my progress so as to share the wealth of knowledge. I know the "professional" well-drilling guys are gonna be really miffed with us, but, hey...who can blame a guy for trying to save a buck? Sincere thanks for the advice and let's hope I can return the favor some day!

Watch for updates,

PoulanBoy
 

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