Superduties?? talk about the recent models

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I have a F-350 SRW diesel with 185,000 miles. Only had it for less than two years, but it had high mileage when I bought it. What's the scoop on the newer models? Mine has the infamous 6.0 and I know they have changed engines since. How do the later models compare? I am toying with the idea of trading, but the new sticker price is pretty steep. Are there bargains to be had now? Is Ford dealing on the 2010 or 2011s, or is sticker price standing up. Just curious about the newer ones and what you guys think. I also heard the newer Dodges were nice. (don't want to start a war, just wanted some opinions)
 
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I have a F-350 SRW diesel with 185,000 miles. Only had it for less than two years, but it had high mileage when I bought it. What's the scoop on the newer models? Mine has the infamous 6.0 and I know they have changed engines since. How do the later models compare? I am toying with the idea of trading, but the new sticker price is pretty steep. Are there bargains to be had now? Is Ford dealing on the 2010 or 2011s, or is sticker price standing up. Just curious about the newer ones and what you guys think. I also heard the newer Dodges were nice. (don't want to start a war, just wanted some opinions)

You might find some sort of deal on a 2010...as the diesel for that year was the 6.4L...the 2011 models have the new diesel which is a 6.7L...and is newly designed...I know a couple of folks with the 6.4 and they seem to think its a good engine...Myself, I have a '99 F350 SRW with the 7.3 that I don't think I'll be getting rid of any time soon....good luck. BobG in VA
 
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I have had three. Two were 6.0L, one a F-250 and one a F-350 SRW. I also had a 7.3L F-350 SRW. All have been great trucks. I have had none of the 6.0L problems so I am still happy.

How has your truck been? That would way heavy on my decison. If I was wanting a Dodge I would find a 06/07 5.9L with a Manual or wait till they get the Aisan tranny in the 3/4 and 1 tons.

Chris
 
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I have one of Ford's new 6.7L diesels. These motors are smooth with alot of power. I've been monitoring any issues with these trucks are several forums for months and there really isn't to many "real" down time problems. There are alot of "rough" tranny shifting complaints but most are fixed with a simple computer flash. I don't recall seeing any problems on the 6.7 that the 6.0L and 6.4L's have. For a first year engine and tranny combo, so far Ford has hit a home run IMO.
 
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I have a 3/4 ton Dodge with the little 5.9l Cummins and automatic... so far, its been flawless. Mine has been seriously worked and overloaded on many occasions... knock on wood, its never backed away from anything.
There is nothing wrong with the stock automatic in this year of truck IF the enigne is left in stock form. With that said, the transmission will only hold the stock power, add a programmer and start acting 16 years old with it and you might end up at the tranny shop.
Funny thing is, guys that have stuck Allisons behind these trucks realize the same thing... add power to it, and the Allison blows up also. IMHO, its a matter of the little inline engine being able to produce max torque at such a low RPM... the v configuration Ford and Chevy diesels cant. Another reason for no manual trans. offered by GM or Ford.
For the new Fords, so far, I have seen very few failures on the pickups. Seen a few holes in cylinder blocks with rods hanging out, but that can happen with new product development. The C&C 2011 Fords are a different story.... we have lost 4 engines and one transmission...
But, in the end, its what you are most comfortable with, and how much you wanna spend. They ARE EXPENSIVE!!!.. And maintenance costs are higher than ever before on them...
 
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Drive a new Ford 6.7 and you will be amazed on a couple of points.
1. The asking price is over the top! but some dealers will work a deal kind of.
2. Performance is unbelivevable out of the box, but you will not find 4.10 gears in the back, or manual transmissions any more....

The 6 speed Auto is pretty tough and from all that I have heard and read it stand up fairly well to 400hp and 800#ft troque. It has 2 OD gears which is kinda cheating to find fuel mileage might not be so great for towing big loads

Big improvement of the 6.4 motor is fuel efficency. I have a 08 450 w/a 6.4 auto Empty I can squeek 17.5 with 4.30 gears but that is running empty at 55mph. Tune it up past 2000 rpm, and fuel mileage goes in the dumper and power come on like a freight train.

Hauling with the 6.4 is a dream, Mine run 495hp/975 #ft at the rear wheels.

One think of note the new 450 is nothing but a beefed up version of the new F350....

Cheers
 
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I honestly wish I could find a high mileage Super Duty with a blown 6.0 for a good price. I've been looking into various truck projects recently and after having stumbled upon "destroked's" website, I must say that I'm intrigued. Apparently it is actually a very easy swap to put a 5.9 Cummins into a 6.0 equipped Super Duty. I think that would make for an awesome combination. If you're worried about the miles on your Super Duty, you may want to look into some sort of update rather than going for the payments on the ridiculously expensive new ones. I just bought a 2010 F250 Diesel 6 months ago and I love my truck. I could have bought a 2011 with the 6.7 powerstroke for a few thousand more, but since I only put about 6,000 miles per year on my trucks and usually trade them inafter 4 or 5 years I would never have saved enough in fuel to justify the extra expense since I got such a terrific deal on my 2010. I almost wish that people would stop buying new trucks in a sort of protest to their outrageous cost. Maybe if people didn't fork out that much money so easily the companies wouldn't charge so much for their trucks in the first place.
 
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Although I have a GMC now, I have owned F250's with both the 7.3L and the 6.4L. I was pretty impressed with both, but the 7.3L was pretty highly-modified. My 6.4L was a really good truck. I never had any trouble with the powerplant and it made smooth and ample power. I know the mileage was a concern of many on these engines, but it seemed rear axle ratio played a lot into that. My truck had the 3.73 rear axle and it would handle 11,000+ trailer loads here in the mountains with little trouble, so I suspect for most users it would do fine. I could certainly feel the load, but the truck would move it around safely and quickly. As for mileage, I never was able to do better than 18 unloaded with mine, and this would drop to 10-12 pulling. Interestingly, it would not go below that no matter what the weight of the load. I could get 12 pulling a 2500 pound small trailer/ZTR but would get 10.5 pulling 10K plus. I have never owned a 6.0L, but have too many neighbors and friends with them that have had trouble. The engine is just not well-designed, especially in the head gasket region with a flimsy 10 bolt design and short factory studs. Though many of these were replaced under warranty, my understanding is Ford did not volunteer to repair any that were not giving trouble, which if true, would not sit well with me. The 7.3L is a bulletproof engine, but requires heavy mods to make equal power to the new ones and finding a used one without a ton of miles would be difficult. I have driven a 6.7L and think it is the best of the line to date, but comes only in new trucks with big price tags. My opinion would be the 6.4L in a late model used truck is the way to go here, with the understanding that it is not going to be a fuel sipper, though none of them are right now and unless driving and pulling constantly the cost of operation is likely close to wash.

John M
 
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The 7.3L is a bulletproof engine, but requires heavy mods to make equal power to the new ones and finding a used one without a ton of miles would be difficult. I have driven a 6.7L and think it is the best of the line to date, but comes only in new trucks with big price tags. My opinion would be the 6.4L in a late model used truck is the way to go here, with the understanding that it is not going to be a fuel sipper, though none of them are right now and unless driving and pulling constantly the cost of operation is likely close to wash.

John M

I went to a Dodge after owning two of the 7.3 PSD Ford trucks. Those engines leaked like there's no tomorrow, were extremely weak on power and ALWAYS seemed to have some failure that stranded me. They were so bad that they made me a 10 year Dodge owner with the 5.9 Cummins. I just got tired of it and it was getting old. I now have an '06 4X4 F350 with the 6.0 PSD and it's by far the best diesel pickup I've ever owned or driven. I couldn't ask for it do do more than it does. It easily tows 16,000 to 18,000 behind it on long runs no problem. Therefore, I won't be in the market for a new pickup for at least another 6 or 7 years. Then, due to politics, I'll still never consider a new GM. I'll have to see what Ford has compared to Dodge and ??
 
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I have done a Cummins to a Ford conversion. Easy??? ys and no. You can fit the engine inthe bay inplace of the 6.0/6.4 without issue but that is to say there will be fabrication involved.

Wiring all to work that is another story do you want all the functionallity in the dash/cab.... a bit of work in invovled there.

I talk to the folks at Destroked about my current ride 08 450 to a Cummins 6.7.... It will take them 4-6 weeks to do the swap and about $10-12K if I supply the engine /trans. Motors are estimated at $5-8 K. Delete all the emissions crap and the engine will last a very long time .
 

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