TC-25D axles locked up

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kgwoodworker

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South Rockwood, MI
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New Holland TC25D
Hope you guys can offer some suggestions on where to start looking for this problem. I have a New Holland TC-25D with hydostatic drive a SuperSteer. It was built in Jan. 1999 and I took delivery in Mar. of 99. I've done the regularly scheduled maintenance and the few minor repairs that have been required and it just turned 1,000 hours. It's equipped with turf tires and normally spends the summers cutting 4 acres of grass with a 930B mower deck and the winter's clearing the snow with a FEL and rear blade.

However, today's plan was to move a pile of dirt. Things were going well until after driving into the pile to fill the bucket, I could not back out of it. It felt like the axles were locked mechanically and couldn't turn. Not like the brakes were applied but, by something solid. I had been in low, full 4WD and on the rear differential lock. The lock pedal popped up when I took my foot off it. Changing drive ranges, dropping 4WD and trying forward or reverse didn't seem to make a difference. I dumped out the bucket and used it to raise the front wheels off the ground. No difference. I used the bucket to roll the tractor backwards and then I was able to get it to move under it's own power back to the barn. It still wasn't right though. It was bucking or jerking like when trying to turn with the rear differential locked or with 4WD still on.

I thought maybe the front axle clutch was stuck so once back in the barn I lifted the front axle off the ground. Both wheels spun by hand easy. With the clutch disengaged I could spin the driveshaft and the wheels would turn. When I engaged 4WD I could no longer turn the driveshaft so I think the front clutch is working correctly. Next I lifted the rear axle off the ground. In neutral both wheels spun easily in opposite directions. With the differential lock applied, they spun together, same direction. They would not spin far though. Whether it was in gear or neutral didn't seem to matter. Fluid levels were fine but, it is time to change the hydraulic system fluid and filters. That was on the list of things for Oct.

I was kinda' surprised that the spinning of the rear wheels was limited in neutral with the rear diff lock applied. I'm not up on what else is going on in the hydrostatic drive forward of that to know if it's normal or not so I'm open to suggestions or recommendations of what to look for next. Thanks.
 
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Does it seem ok operating the hydro with the gear selector in neutral?
 
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The hydro system seems to run fine. Even when limping back to the barn I didn't notice anything abnormal about the engine or hydraulic system sounds or functions. Didn't take more RPM to get it to move either.
 
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If it was mine, I would put the whole tractor up on stands and do some simple tests. In each range, have someone slowly move the hydro peddle while you put your hands on the tires offering resistance feeling for missing gear teeth. Do this forward and reverse, front and back, auto 4x4 and locked in.
 
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I went through all the gears and directions while the tractor was up on stands and still didn't find anything amiss so I went back out for a test drive. Going straight things appeared normal. At the first hard left turn I could feel something catch. At this inspection I could see the front diff spline with the universal only partially on it in the inspection window (see photo). The retainer bolt was broken. I hadn't noticed it during all the spinning excercise because I had been working from the right side that doesn't have the hole. The spline of the diff seems ok but, the u-joint side is tore up. About half the spline length is worn away. That still didn't explain how but, as I continued I found that three of the front axle bearing retainer bolts that keep it attached to the tractor had backed out. Two were laying between the rails just below the engine pulley (also pictured). The fourth was only still in by 6 turns and was hitting one of thr hydraulic hoses. That probably stopped it from coming completely out. I wasn't far from losing the whole axle! So now I'm hunting for a new universal and a hose. Looks like the u-joint is a >$300 part with NH prices.
 

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Ouch! I should check my bolts to make sure they are tight.....
 
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I know I'll be keeping an eye on them from now on. I'm using Loctite on the new ones and I'll paint mark them so I can visually see if they move. You can see them when everything is together, just can't get to them. The back two are directly under my engine pulley so a socket won't fit on them. The front two were partially under the radiator. The picture in my posting showing the bolts is with the radiator removed. My dealer thought they could make the hose I needed but, no luck. He didn't stock the fittings. He also didn't seem surprised that the bearing retainer bolts had come loose. He made no comment but, it's my opinion of his reaction. $400 gone and I should have parts by the end of the week. I'm lucky the diff spline wasn't screwed up too.
 

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