TC29D

[thcri]

I just purchased a new New Holland TC29D last summer. Before I got through
the first tank of Diesel fuel that came with the tractor it had quit
running. First it had started spitting black smoke out, lost it's power and
eventually just quit. The dealer told me that I had got some bad fuel.
Well thank God they gave me the fuel. The thing I am concerned about it,
this tractor sat for two winters on a lot. I was aware of it but did not
ever realise the trouble I was in for. I have had to drain the fuel a
couple of times, use fuel treatment just about all the time. The plastic
fuel filter case every so often will fill up with clumps of stuff. The
tractor sits in a heated garage and I really have trouble starting it. I
have to run the glow plugs two or three times before even trying to start
the thing. It seems like there never is any power. When running the bucket
just after start up it pretty much kills the tractor, not sure if cold lines
should slow it down that much. I have a slight hill on my drive way and
cannot make it up the hill in the 2nd range with the hydrostatic half way
down. My mower deck is a 72" and if I climb a hill with it I have to slow
down quit a bit. My TC21D with a 60" deck seem to handle the hill much
better. I have had it in the dealership about three times now and they say
everything is OK.

 

[hazmat]

Are you getting your fuel from the same place? Did you get one big batch (55 gal drum?) Might be time to switch fuel dealers.

I'd guess you either got a big batch of bad fuel, the supplier you use has bad fuel, or you started with got a good amount of crud in the tank.

We had a similar problem with crud in the fuel tank of our sailboat. Problem solved by pumping it empty, filtering the fuel & returning it to the tank.

Good luck!

 

[thcri]

Actually no. I had problems with the first tank that came with the tractor. Since then I buy my fuel in a 6 gal container and have purchased it from different suppliers. My concern is this tractor sat on the lot for two winters in Minnesota? I am wondering if the the fuel tank is full of crude if it sat empty them two winters. I probably ended up with a lemon? Murphy's law I guess.

 

[hazmat]

What has the dealer done to it the three times it has been back? I'd think that draining & cleaning the tank might be in order (unless it's already been done?)

If it had a bad batch of fuel sitting in it for two years, it could have settled the crud out. Now as you are bouncing around using it, you loosten up the crud & it clogs your filter.

Does the additive you're using have an algecide? Your garage might be too warm causing algea to grow (usaully not a problem in the winter).

 

[Spencer]

thcri, I am glad you decided to give this website a try. There is a lot more activity here than on the tractor newsgroup. Hopefully some more experienced people will jump in soon and help you get this problem solved. If you don't get it solved in this New Holland owning and operating section then maybe you would get more responses in the Parts/Repairs section. I would suggest a more descriptive subject than just "TC29D", maybe something like "Bad Fuel In New Tractor".

Anyway I am no mechanic but here is my suggestion. Check your air filter and make sure that a mouse did not make a nest in there somewhere. Your engine needs air as well as fuel to run so maybe the problem is with the air intake. Sitting on a dealers lot for two years in the same spot is plenty of time for a mouse to find its way in there.

Even if we don't get your problem solved right away I can see you are enjoying TBN just the same (14 posts in 24 hours).

 

[djradz]

Sounds like some more significant problem is now occuring. Maybe it started with the fuel. Your FEL bucket should not be able to kill the engine no matter how overloaded. The pressure relief on the bucket circuit should pop long before that happens.

Not sure about the 72" mower. That's about the max the 29D should be powering. In a normal lawn mowing situation, with shorter or light grass, on level ground, you should be OK with NO slowing down. But in anything taller than 5" or when going up a good slope, you should expect some slowing down.

You may wish to burn a mix of diesel with kerosene for a tank full. The kerosene should help with the "clumping" and help to clean things out. I wouldn't leave it in however, assuming it's colored, in case there's still a warranty issue, the dealer may claim that contributed to the problem.

 

[thcri]

Spencer,

You right, I probably should have used a better description. I will learn as I go I am sure. The air filters have been replaced so that should eliminate that problem. My tractor is kept in a heated garage. Yes it is only around 50 degrees but in order to get the tractor started I have to run the glow plugs at least two times and sometimes three times.

The reason I have so posts already is because I put a bunch of pics on and had to do them one at a time. Thanks for leading me on to this web place, I know I will enjoy it.

Murph

 

[thcri]

The loader only gives me trouble at start up. Once I run it for a while it comes out of drawing the motor down. If the hydraulic fluid is stiff I guess I could understand it some, but I keep the tractor in a 50 degree garage. I have to run the glow plugs at least twice and sometimes three times to get the thing started even in the heated garage. When I first got the tractor it handled the mower just fine. It seems like it is getting worse all the time.

The first week when it quit the first time the site glass around the fuel filter was full of crud. They did put something in the fuel tank and let it set overnight and then I believe they drained the junk out. Also changed the fuel filter, the filter now has been at least changed three times. If I am moving with the tractor in 2nd range and then increase the RPM's the motor won't rev up until I stop the tractor. Then I can depress the hydrostatic and it will run at the faster speed. But if I don't literaly stop it won't increase the RPM's The dealer has done some adjustment on it and it worked fine for about a month and now back to the same thing.

Not sure what more to do.. When I take it to the dealer they tell me everything is fine.

Thank you for you help

murph

 

[djradz]

murph, something is obviously wrong. Sounds like poor fuel flow, but it could be something else. If it continues to give you problems, call NH. Sounds to me like time to replace the fuel tank, replace the injector pump, replace the injectors and clean the entire fuel delivery system. Whether the engine is cold or not, you should see an instant increase in engine speed if you move the throttle up - no delay or having to lighten the load.

 

[thcri]

That is what I thought. I had a TC21D and had no trouble with it. Other than it was just too small. I think the NH Dealer I bought it from thinks I am a city slicker and knows no better. I have been around too many diesel trucks and tractors to believe this is right.