Tee connections to Back Hoe??

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wmgeorge

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I've got a JD650 with a #67 Loader and Power Steering. I'd like to add a small back hoe that uses the tractor hydraulics.

Where they tied into the system (under the seat) for the power steering circuit the hoses run down and then are connected to steel lines that feed the PS.

Can I just "T" into the lines with the proper fittings, before they go to the PS and take back to connections for my back hoe??

I went to my local John Deere people and they are very little help.
 
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Generally speaking you cannot "T" hydraulic lines, espesially the pressure side.

Without know the specs of the pump on this machine, I really can't help you further...
 
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your hoe needs to be connected in series. You cannot just T into the system. Hard to advise without seeing your system, but i suspect you will need to use the PBY port from the loader valve (or whichever is last in your circuit before the hydraulic feeds your 3 point) to feed a set of quick connects at the rear of your tractor. When your backhoe is disconnected, you will connect the male and female together to keep the circuit complete. Hard to explain in a short post..... but think of your hydraulic system as an electrical circuit from the pump back to the 3 point. Every added valve is connected in series, not paralell as you suggested by adding Ts.
 
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wmgeorge said:
I've got a JD650 with a #67 Loader and Power Steering. I'd like to add a small back hoe that uses the tractor hydraulics.

Where they tied into the system (under the seat) for the power steering circuit the hoses run down and then are connected to steel lines that feed the PS.

Can I just "T" into the lines with the proper fittings, before they go to the PS and take back to connections for my back hoe??

I went to my local John Deere people and they are very little help.

You have to build pressure to perform work(pressure is what builds force in the hyd cylinders). Generally a "T" implies 2 paths. If you give the fluid a path of lesser resistance, it will take it instead of performing work...
 
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So what the JD sales guy told me is not correct.

I think I'm understanding, a bit anyway. Since the pump is a gear pump and can not be dead headed, the GPM flow has to go someplace.

I've got the books for the installation of the Hyd system for the loader valve and the power steering valve, at least I have someplace to start. It looks like the local JD dealer will be no help...:confused:
 
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Wayne County Hose said:
Do you ever believe a salesman?

No. In fact I asked for "Andy" the only parts guy there that I trust and he was not in. :mad:

I've been looking at the installation manuals for the PS and FEL valves and I think I have it more or less sorted out. I'm thinking that my ports for the BH must be the last in the circuit before it feeds the 3 Point lift. Right now it looks as if the PS is the last device before the 3 Point. I am thinking the port block (& flow divider?) must have 3 connections, 2 go to the BH circuit and the other must dump back to the tank from the BH to relieve the cylinders of pressure?

And the 2 that actually go to the BH, must have a jumper back together so the 3 point works when the BH is not hooked up. How close am I???
 
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Again, not being able to see a schematic of your system, impossible to be accurate in telling you what to do. However, i'll see if i can't describe mine, and perhaps you can figure yours out on your own. For the record, there is plenty of reading here on the subject if you want to spend some time reading. When i was looking for help installing my loader, a former member (MadReferee) help me tremendously by making me learn about my hydraulic system...... so that i could plumb it myself.

Pressure line comes from pump back to hydraulic block under the seat. Then, pressure leaves the block and goes to the loader valve, which has an in, an out, and power beyond (i'm leaving out the work ports that control the loader cylinders).

Pressure from the hydraulic block goes to the IN port on the loader valve.

The OUT port on the loader valve goes back to the sump (reservoir) on the side of the transmission case.

The PBY port feeds a hydraulic hose that then goes back to a quick connect (female on my tractor), which is connected to the IN on my backhoe valves.

Fluid comes OUT of the backhoe and goes to another quick connect (female on backhoe, male on tractor).

From that quick connect, a hose then goes forward, back to the hydraulic block...... and powers the three point hitch.

When the backhoe is removed from the tractor, the tractor MUST be shut down, and the female QC MUST connect to the male before restarting the tractor. This completes the circuit with the backhoe removed from the circuit. Failure to reconnect those hoses before starting the tractor again will cost you lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. :eek: :eek: :eek:

The only place you can have a T, is the line(s) returning to the sump (spent fluid).

For instance, if i had a valve at the rear of the tractor to control, say for top-n-tilt on the three point, my circuit would come out the loader valve (PBY), go to the IN on the aux valve.

OUT from the aux. valve would T in with the OUT from the loader valve (as they are both "spent" flud)..... and they both dump back into the sump.

PBY from the aux. valve would then go back to the QC and into the backhoe.

I cannot comment on how your power steering ties into the system, but hopefully you can figure that out on your own. Perhaps it would be visualized easiest if you draw a picture of your tractor, and used different colored markers to make diagrams of your hydraulic system. You could use different colors for high pressure, and return lines.

It my seem confusing at first, but if i can figure it out..... you certainly can too !


FWIW, my Yanmar system should be virtually identical to your Yanmar built Deere (except i do not have power steering).

Hope this helped !!
 
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So... you only have two connections on the back of the tractor that goes to the BH. If I'm getting some of this, then one port on the back is a pressure port to the BH and the other port returning fluid to operate the 3 Point also must have pressure to operate and is not a tank return line.

Is there enough pressure drop or differential between each side of piston (via the valve switching), that the cylinder moves without relieving pressure to a tank, and yet has pressure to operate another device?

Yes my PS system is before the pressure loop goes to the 3 point which is last. I wish I had a diagram of the system or if it was nice outside I'd make one.:) Yes I have been reading here a lot and whenever else I can find the time, you'd think a master electrician could figure out a simple fluid hook up!!
 
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wmgeorge said:
So... you only have two connections on the back of the tractor that goes to the BH. If I'm getting some of this, then one port on the back is a pressure port to the BH and the other port returning fluid to operate the 3 Point also must have pressure to operate and is not a tank return line.

^^Keep in mind, that when the backhoe is on the tractor, you are not using your three poing hitch..... so no need for a PBY port here.(you are correct, only an IN and an OUT)

Is there enough pressure drop or differential between each side of piston (via the valve switching), that the cylinder moves without relieving pressure to a tank, and yet has pressure to operate another device?

^^ I don't think i understand what you are asking here ^^
 

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