Therapy - I have to rant!

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sandtuck

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Kubota M7040 MFWD, FEL, Hydraulic Shuttle and John Deere x300 mower
OK, I have to get this out so I can move on. Pardon the long, rambling post, but here goes. Why does getting service have to be such a hassle?
I spent a great deal of time yesterday afternoon calling the service department at my local Kubota dealer trying to schedule some warranty service
on my M7040 before it runs out at the end of the month. Nothing major, just a leak or two. The line stayed busy forever, then when it finally rang
and was answered, I stayed on hold over 10 minutes two different times waiting on the service department to pick up and they never did. I called back
for the third time and a lady took my number and said she would have them call me right back... they never did. I called one last time after closing
time and a nice gentleman answered and assured me that I should bring the tractor on in tomorrow morning and he would see to it that the work
would be done under warranty regardless of when they got to it. I told him it wasn't worth it if they were going to have to keep it for several weeks
just to do a minor repair. He assured me it wouldn't and he would get with the service manager about it first thing in the morning, just bring it on in.
I failed to get his name, but thought it sounded like the guy that normally works the parts counter. So I'm happy for the moment.

This morning I load the tractor up and took it to the dealership arriving right after they opened at 8AM. This particular high volume dealer has a cluttered
and unimpressive dealership, and no service counter to go to when you get there. I walked in and the two employees at the parts counter and one customer
looked at me like I had one eye and three arms, and no one offered to wait on me. I approached the man at the counter I thought I had spoken to
and asked him if he was the one I spoke to late yesterday regarding warranty work on my tractor. I have never had anyone react to a me as a customer
quite like he did.... He said "I don't know. I talked to lots of people yesterday, maybe you were one of them, maybe you weren't. I can't fix your tractor.
I work this parts counter. The service guy is not here yet. If you want your tractor fixed, I guess you'll have to see him when he gets here." He stared at
me in complete disgust for a few seconds, then turned back to his computer screen and never looked up again.

Someone else must have overheard what I wanted and went in the back behind the "Employees Only" sign and came back and said "the folks in the back
said drive your tractor around by that side door and they will get you written up." So I went back to my trailer, unloaded the tractor by myself and drove it to the
side door. The service guy showed up about that time and from that point on, took pretty good care of me. You know, I know I'm not their biggest customer
and don't farm for a living, but I DID purchase at $30K+ tractor from them, and a used Polaris Ranger and all I wanted was to feel good about who I deal
with. Every minute I get to spend dealing with my tractor and other equipment is my tension release and enjoyable, even when things go wrong. I don't
expect to be pampered, but what did I do to warrant such a poisonous encounter?

This is completely opposite of an experience I had at the local John Deere dealer when my brand new x300 mower had a major problem two weeks after
I bought it. I called them and they said bring it in right now, or if you need us to, we will come get it. I took it in, they met me at the service counter,
came out and unloaded it and believe it or not, fixed it that day in their neat and clean service department. They called me less than two hours later
to come get it, that they had repaired the push rod that had come lose and cut some grass with it to make sure it was corrected.
That was better service than I could have ever expected.
The only down side there is that I was so impressed that I went home and wrote a nice email to the owner/manager thanking him and commending his
staff members by name. He never acknowledged the email, but at least I still feel good about the service.

I know I probably sound like a cry baby, but dang it ruined my day! Thanks for letting me get it off my chest.
 
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Customer service is a very big deal for me, and it seems like it is just getting worse all the time, everywhere. When I bought my Kubota my local dealer had a very good sales women and an awesome service guy. Now they have both found other jobs and the service at that dealer is getting worse every day. I feel for you man!
 
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Doesn't take but one or two people in a business to sink it. I have a few places around here namely our local Stihl dealer that is caustic to deal with unless you are shoving money his way. If you need something from him in the line of service he treats you like a thief. Needless to say i go another 30 minutes down the road and deal with a different Stihl dealer who treats me much more decent. It seems like it should be a priority of any business to take care of the money flow(customer). Run off all the customers and you will go out of business.
 
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It's sad these days that so many people just don't care. They act as though they are angry to be at work. There are still lots of good people out there too.
 
   / Therapy - I have to rant! #5  
I tend to agree with your desire to rant about the lack of attentive response to your needs. I don't blame you one bit. Just a thought? My Kubota dealer offers and supplies excellent service and is exceptional in regards to attending all customers needs. The entire Staff are cordial and professional. Although this dealer stays busy with a steady flow of customers during the entire year, my dealer is very busy this time of year. I went there just last week, and the Parts and Service Departments were swamped. They are open 8-5 weekdays and 9-12 on Saturdays. The owner told me that he personally has delivered equipment even on Sundays because of the pressing needs of his customers. On the way back home, I passed one of his trucks making a delivery. Perhaps your dealer is also very busy this season? I realize that being busy is no excuse for inappropriate attitudes and lack of attention, but I think you should give them another chance. Everyone has a bad day every once in awhile. Best wishes.
 
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I understand about being busy, my staff is busy too. I took time off from my regular job to take my tractor to get it repaired. But being busy is no reason for that kind of reaction when I was nothing but cordial and humble. I didn't go in there raising cane that no one answered the phone or called me back. I was as meek and humble as I could have been. I guess I have to go back there because...THEY HAVE MY TRACTOR! I'll bet you money I won't see it for over a week and all it needs is one minor hydraulic leak.The next closest Kubota dealer is 45 miles away. I don't want to dislike them or not feel like I can depend on them. If I had ever been difficult with them, maybe I could understand it, but all I did was spend money with them... WAY MORE than I spent at the JD dealer.
 
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Guess I am luckey in that my dealer is run by a family who does care about the customer. The father started the business and now the sons carry on in his foot steps. They sell a lot of Kubota equipment as well as Stihl and snow machines. I could save a few dollars by going somewhere else but these guys bend over to give great service and are never too busy to answer any dumb questions I have. All of the employees act like they care! What a difference!
 
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Yep same here with my Kubota dealer, who I ended up suing for quoting me one price and then when I went to pick it up it was twice the signed quote. They help my equipment hostage. No problem I hired out the work I could have done with the tractor then sued the dealer for what turned out to be five times the amount he was trying to extort from me and I won. The judge awarded me everything plus I didn't even have to pay for the original service. The judge forced him to deliver my equipment within 24 hours.

Now a days you buy the service department not the equipment.
 
   / Therapy - I have to rant! #9  
Good customer service is the exception to the rule. When we find it we are surprised, a good surprise but a surprise none the less. It amazes me how at a lot of businesses the employees look like they are dressed to go to the beach or fishing instead of work. If they have no pride in their dress they'll have no pride in their work.

Charlie
 
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I expect good customer service from a vendor if they want my business or continued business. I do the same for my customers. I would have purchased a JD years ago if I had a dealer around here that was interested in spending a little bit of quality time to answer my questions as opposed to being irritated that I hadn't purchased yet. That kept me in New Holland's for many years. I new branch of a JD dealer opened in my area who I hadn't dealt with before. Their customer service, sales experience, and overall customer service is excellent. I ended up spending over $40K with them and continue to purchase other products from them.
 
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It's not Kubota, JD, NH, etc. It's people. It's always been like this and always will. People can sometimes be turds and some people always are and some people are not. I see it about every day if I come into contact with people. I love going to a business establishment or even meeting fellow customers that seem to be enjoying their life and/or job. I also meet people like that most days when I get out and about. One can spoil a day and another can lift my spirits about mankind. Oh by the way, I'm a Counselor and enjoy most clients/people and after talking with most of them can determine where their attitude (positive or negative) comes from. Are some still turds? Yes, some are and some are not and understanding why they are like they are helps some times until I come across them in a business when I'm going to buy some thing. Understanding doesn't always help me to be more accepting of rudeness.:)
I bought a different vehicle a few days ago. Owed Chase for the vehicle I traded in. Called Chase to get the same amount of money to pay off old car and get the same amount of money on the new car. Talked to 3 different people over an hour or so period of time and the final person tried to ruin my day. Loan approved BUT.....all paperwork had to be done the hard way instead of the way the deal was done. Actually at one point was told No loan disapproved if I didn't do exactly what she told me. Called my Credit Union and within 15 minutes my request was approved and to fax sales contract and she would handle it from there. It was actually a pleasant experience. The difference was the people mostly and also the Companys policys to try and make something happen or to try and make every situation into their pegs. A combination of an employee that seemed to not want to do anything to help vs one that seemed to know and like her job and wanted to make "it" happen and worked toward making it happen. People, some are, using a Professional term, TURDS and some are Nice. I to can be and have been at times both.:D
 
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This reminded me of a customer service issue I had years ago at a local Ford dealer. We had a new Thunderbird that had a terrible body groan / squawk in the firewall that developed shortly after we bought it. This thing was so loud, you could hear it over the radio. I had it into the garage several times to get it fixed - to no avail. I don't think they even tried to fix it.

Then it started to short out the digital dash electronics (speed, tach, etc). Twice more I had it into the service department for repair. They managed to get the electronics to work, but the next pothole I hit - I would get the loud groan and out went the electronics - again.

Needless to say - I was frustrated beyond belief. I took my complaint to the general manager and all I got was the run around. I had heard about the existence of a regional service manager...but had no way to contact him. Looked high and low for phone number. Even asked the dealer who denied the existence of such a person.

So with no other options I called Ford in Dearborn Michigan, but I couldn't get past the receptionist. She kept telling me to speak with my local dealer. So I got to thinking..big corporations have blocks of sequential phone numbers. The main number to Ford was something like XXX-X000, and I started calling X001, X002, etc

About number X027, I finally got past the main line rollover numbers and ended up speaking with a VICE PRESIDENT of Ford! He was extremely nice, listened politely to my rant describing my service department woes, took down my information and told me the regional service manager would be in contact with me within 24 hours. (He also asked how I ended up speaking to him...told him I had been dialing random numbers until I found someone who could help!)

Well, it wasn't 24 hours, but more like 15 minutes and the regional service manager was calling me. Fifteen minutes after that that the service manager of the dealer called. All of a sudden, I was Mr. Important!!

I had an appointment for repair setup for the very next day, and they even OFFERED to come and pick up the car (which I declined). When I took it in for service the next day, they placed an orange cone on the roof of the car with VIP stenciled up the sides.

The car was fixed - 100%. No further problems. They sent it over to new car prep - did a full detail wash and wax. Changed the oil, rotated the tires.

I received several follow up calls from the dealer, and one from the regional service manager.

That was back in 87, and that was the LAST time I ever set foot in that dealership. You know, we all should be treated as Mr. (or Ms.) Important when we have service issues. I didn't step foot in that dealer - but I have purchased several Fords since then. That VP got it, he understood how important customer service Is, and honestly had I not received the satisfaction I did, I probably would have a "pee on Ford" sticker stuck somewhere on a non Ford vehicle :) :).
 
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I can sure understand your frustration, there is a Kubota dealer 18 miles from me that I won't go near and drive twice the distance to a great dealer. There are two Deere dealers here, one good another not so much. We have never met a rude person at our Kubota or John Deere dealer. I refuse to put up with rude people and will speak with people up the chain if I encounter one and will not hesitate to go elsewhere even if it means driving further.
 
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This reminded me of a customer service issue I had years ago at a local Ford dealer. We had a new Thunderbird that had a terrible body groan / squawk in the firewall that developed shortly after we bought it. This thing was so loud, you could hear it over the radio. I had it into the garage several times to get it fixed - to no avail. I don't think they even tried to fix it.

Then it started to short out the digital dash electronics (speed, tach, etc). Twice more I had it into the service department for repair. They managed to get the electronics to work, but the next pothole I hit - I would get the loud groan and out went the electronics - again.

Needless to say - I was frustrated beyond belief. I took my complaint to the general manager and all I got was the run around. I had heard about the existence of a regional service manager...but had no way to contact him. Looked high and low for phone number. Even asked the dealer who denied the existence of such a person.

So with no other options I called Ford in Dearborn Michigan, but I couldn't get past the receptionist. She kept telling me to speak with my local dealer. So I got to thinking..big corporations have blocks of sequential phone numbers. The main number to Ford was something like XXX-X000, and I started calling X001, X002, etc

About number X027, I finally got past the main line rollover numbers and ended up speaking with a VICE PRESIDENT of Ford! He was extremely nice, listened politely to my rant describing my service department woes, took down my information and told me the regional service manager would be in contact with me within 24 hours. (He also asked how I ended up speaking to him...told him I had been dialing random numbers until I found someone who could help!)

Well, it wasn't 24 hours, but more like 15 minutes and the regional service manager was calling me. Fifteen minutes after that that the service manager of the dealer called. All of a sudden, I was Mr. Important!!

I had an appointment for repair setup for the very next day, and they even OFFERED to come and pick up the car (which I declined). When I took it in for service the next day, they placed an orange cone on the roof of the car with VIP stenciled up the sides.

The car was fixed - 100%. No further problems. They sent it over to new car prep - did a full detail wash and wax. Changed the oil, rotated the tires.

I received several follow up calls from the dealer, and one from the regional service manager.

That was back in 87, and that was the LAST time I ever set foot in that dealership. You know, we all should be treated as Mr. (or Ms.) Important when we have service issues. I didn't step foot in that dealer - but I have purchased several Fords since then. That VP got it, he understood how important customer service Is, and honestly had I not received the satisfaction I did, I probably would have a "pee on Ford" sticker stuck somewhere on a non Ford vehicle :) :).

What a story Dean. Sometimes you just have to get hold of the right guy. That was pretty smart to go thru the DID group of telephone numbers to find someone who gives a poop about the customer. I wonder exactly what that regional service manager said to the dealership? Bet it was an interesting conversation.:) We had a similar customer service issue with a used Ford explorer we bought from a local dealer, and to this day my wife wont set foot in that dealership or even consider a Ford again. She holds grudges longer than I do.:) Again, good story and well told:thumbsup:

James K0UA
 
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Reminds me of trying to call any bank in Canada!
 
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That VP got it, he understood how important customer service Is, and honestly had I not received the satisfaction I did, I probably would have a "pee on Ford" sticker stuck somewhere on a non Ford vehicle.
Hopefully that is why he is/was the VP ....

Not all are capable of demonstrating effective leadership .... cherish those who do, for they make the world go round ....
 
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It's a a shame some business's don't realize the importance of customer service. Some think sell sell sell and fail to realize its not about the sale but what they do after the sale. When I was looking to buy my BX 25 I have a dealer just 5 miles up the road, I had my mind made up on the 25 but speaking to one of the salesman he said all I have on the lot is a 24 and he said he would not order a 25 for me while he had the 24 on the lot. So guess what I drove 50 miles and purchased it from another dealer who was very pleased to get the business. I did happen to run into the GM of the 1st dealer and told him about my experience at his shop and he was very apologetic and told me to come into the shop whenever I need anything and he would take care of me and he has been true to his word.
 
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It is frustrating. But, you said this was a "high volume dealership". I guess if they are successful acting the way the act there is no incentive for them to change.

MoKelly
 
   / Therapy - I have to rant! #19  
finding employees who take a personal responsibility are harder and harder to find so it seems. I suppose most are out to collect a paycheck and just make it through the day. I would hate to have a dealership and be tasked with the challenge of finding employees who you can trust when your back is turned. Employees will make or break a business.
 
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finding employees who take a personal responsibility are harder and harder to find so it seems. I suppose most are out to collect a paycheck and just make it through the day. I would hate to have a dealership and be tasked with the challenge of finding employees who you can trust when your back is turned. Employees will make or break a business.

I would agree with that 100%. However I would also state that as an employee of a large company, there's a lot less personal responsibility demonstrated when there is not much of a hint of respect coming down from the employer.
 

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