Tilling garden

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NewToy said:
Do you just snatch the tomato plants out and turn everything else under? I didn't notice any disease on the tomatos this year but I'm no expert, could have been looking right at it.
How about tilling leaves in the soil? I have plenty of them.:)
John

I till in the fall but I remove any stalk or vine material first. This material causes problems when it wraps around the tiller tines and I don't think it breaks down as quicky in the soil.
 
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Well I got the garden all tilled up today. I went ahead and removed most of the vines and such before tlling and it turned out real nice. Our soil here is quite heavy with alot of clay. I was wondering how tilling in a load of sand along with some more organic would do? I have some compost and manure and was hoping the sand would help loosen things up and help with the drainage. Is that an accepted practice?
Thanks,
John
 
   / Tilling garden #13  
NewToy said:
Well I got the garden all tilled up today. I went ahead and removed most of the vines and such before tlling and it turned out real nice. Our soil here is quite heavy with alot of clay. I was wondering how tilling in a load of sand along with some more organic would do? I have some compost and manure and was hoping the sand would help loosen things up and help with the drainage. Is that an accepted practice?
Thanks,
John

I have heavy clay soil too. I have never tried sand so I don't know if that would work. I would think that organic material would be a better choice. I tilled in 4 to 6 inches of composted horse manure. As I have 3 horses, there is plenty of it. The stuff I used was at least 2 years old and had bedding (pine shavings) and some hay mixed in it. It really loosened up the soil. I have not added any more in several years.
 
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Organic material is generally considered the best soil amendment. I do not have heavy clay soils but saw a reference where clay and sand make cement.... try browsing around on gardenweb.com forums. The soil forum is probably the best place to start:
Soil, Compost and Mulch Forum - GardenWeb

Charles
 
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charlz said:
Organic material is generally considered the best soil amendment. I do not have heavy clay soils but saw a reference where clay and sand make cement.... try browsing around on gardenweb.com forums. The soil forum is probably the best place to start:
Soil, Compost and Mulch Forum - GardenWeb

Charles
I sure don't need a cement garden!:eek: Thanks for the heads up, I'll stick with the organic ammentments.
John
 
   / Tilling garden #16  
Better practice is to remove all dead plant material and not till. When you till, you're destroying and possibly even killing a lot of the microbes and their tunnels made through the soil.

Any time you till, too, you're bringing up more weed seeds and exposing them to air where they can sprout.

One time in twenty years, I ran a rototiller through the garden in NJ to remove some tree roots that had migrated in. Had to use the plow to remove the fescue from the new garden spot I created along the creek down below here. Had an awful time with weeds that first year. Last year, having sold my Gravely and its plow and bought my JD, I recreated the raised rows with my disc hiller rig. Had some more weeds but not as much as the first year after using the Gravely.

I always apply mulch to the rows either before planting (and scrape away mulch to put in new seed) or after the plants are up a couple of inches. The mulch feeds the microbes in the soil. I don't use any fertilizer. Feed the microbes, and they feed the soil. The mulch keeps down the weeds, too, and help to retain moisture.

For more on this, get the book, Teaming with Microbes.

Ralph
 
   / Tilling garden #17  
Tilling in sand is not a good idea. Tilling in some compost will enrichen your clay soil, or just putting compost or mulch on top to help control weeds and moisture will eventually do the same thing.

Gypsum is also supposed to be good to open up clay soil. It's pH neutral.

I've used a little bit of sand when planting very small seeds like carrot and lettuce. I mix the seeds with gobs of sand, make a tiny furrow through the soil with trowel or finger and pour the sand laced with seed down the furrow. The sand helps to distribute the tiny seeds and will help to control damping off if planting in very humid conditions (like I had when living in Baton Rouge).

Ralph
 
   / Tilling garden #18  
Hi NewToy,
Charlz & Ralph are right. Several years ago I tilled a load of sand into the clay here in No. CA and got a real nice patio instead of a good planting area for a lawn. So the next spring I had to work hard with the scarifiers on the box scraper to break it all up. Then I tilled in two loads of mulch and had a great foundation for the lawn. Go organic with the clay!
-ken-
 
   / Tilling garden #19  
What about wood stove ashes? Do they have any value when tilled into the soil? My Dad burns wood and the ashes are piling up.
Bob
 

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