To load or not to load (the tires)?

   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #1  

Rolando

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Bobcat Toolcat High Flow Turbo C-series
What do you all think? My five acres are as flat as a pancake with dry sandy soil, and I will always be using the loader with a box blade on back. I'd hate to take on the extra weight if I don't need it.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #2  
One of my tractors has loaded tires. One does not. Both have loaders. Just be very careful IF you ever take the box blade off, and also understand that the blade may not be enough weight to fully utilize the strength potential of the loader. You'll be fine if you keep those things in mind.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #3  
For me it's a non issue. I tried it both ways. My box blade weighs almost 1000lbs. That is not huge, but is considerably more then both tires (R4's) ballasted when you consider the moment increase you get with a box hanging 4 or 5 feet off the back. Frankly, I noticed no stability increase when the tires were loaded when using it on my hills other then it did want to slide down easier on the wetter grass with loaded tires. I surely noted the extra effort required by my engine when going uphill when mowing using loaded tires. My loader, a LA 723 cannot lift the rear end off the ground even with the toothbar on and the additional heaping it allows when loading the bucket using my box scraper as ballast. This is true even on a downhill slope although I am sure things are getting light back there. Bob's right though, I drove my neighbors (identical to my tractor except R1's on his) several days ago as a favor to unload 2500' of pipe fencing off a semi trailer. Even though his R1's are loaded, the loader easily tipped the rear wheels. He has no box scraper so I had to put one on in order to continue unloading the truck. The problem was he has forks over the bucket and the load was out to the end of the forks. Even though the bundles were only about 700lbs, the loader and the tractors size could just barely do it. The problem was two fold. Not enough ballast and defintely a setup with the forks that it was not designed for. I would advocate quick attach forks instead of the over the bucket anytime unless your dealing with very light loads. You will need ballast of some sort with all but the lightest of loader work. If you have a nice heavy box, I would opt not to load, otherwise I would load. It works well for me and my combination of mowing, loader/boxscraper and powered landscape rake uses.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #4  
Exactly what Rat said plus when you want to stay lighter it is easy to take off the box scraper or whatever counterweight implement you use. Loading and unloading the tires, well that wouldn’t be to handy. This works for me, but others may be served better by loaded tires. It’s a matter of application and preference.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #5  
The question is: Do you find yourself spinning the tires regularly (lack of traction)? If so, load them. If not, don't.

I was spending a lot of time spinning my tires in loose dirt or damp soil so I loaded them and it really helped.

But, I am clearing woods and moving a lot of dirt so I put it in a pretty good strain most of the time.

Bill Tolle
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #6  
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Keep in mind that flat ground is no guarantee against a tip over. If you make a sharp turn with weight high, the centrifugal force can take you over.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #7  
(Keep in mind that flat ground is no guarantee against a tip over. If you make a sharp turn with weight high, the centrifugal force can take you over. ) <font color="blue"> </font>
Very true - also remember that your ground is flat but if you start digging holes and then drop a wheel in a hole or try to drive over an embankment you are now putting the tractor off level. In my mind the main reason to put weight in the rear tires is not so much so that you have weight on the back of the tractor for the loader - an implement hanging off the back is better for that because it is further out on the rear and therefore has more leverage. The main reason to load the tires is to make the tractor more stable from tipping - putting weight in the tires puts the weight as low as it can possibly go in the tractor. If you do something like pick up a huge rock on the loader and it rolls off center in the bucket that tire weight will help keep all the wheels on the ground.
 
   / To load or not to load (the tires)? #8  
I can have almost my entire box scraper on the ground which means 1000lbs plus the advantage of being further back. That means my weight will be only about 18" to 20" off the ground versus about 3 feet by the time you get to the top of my rim if it were loaded with ballast. The ballast in the tire may start an inch or so off the ground but quickly gets up to seat level if you ballast them to the top of the rim.
 

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