Tires To load tires or leave them unloaded
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Cliff_Johns
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If your main job will be to mow the grass, than don't load the tires. Just get an implement or something heavy to hang off the back when you're using the loader.
Remember that while loading tires will help keep the back end on the ground when using the loader, this does not make the front end any less heavy with a load of gravel in the loader. That is, using ballast off the 3pt will lighten the front end and reduce stress on the front axel and the steering mechanism. Loading the tires will not.
Cliff
Remember that while loading tires will help keep the back end on the ground when using the loader, this does not make the front end any less heavy with a load of gravel in the loader. That is, using ballast off the 3pt will lighten the front end and reduce stress on the front axel and the steering mechanism. Loading the tires will not.
Cliff
Tom4310
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If your main job will be to mow the grass, than don't load the tires. Just get an implement or something heavy to hang off the back when you're using the loader.
Remember that while loading tires will help keep the back end on the ground when using the loader, this does not make the front end any less heavy with a load of gravel in the loader. That is, using ballast off the 3pt will lighten the front end and reduce stress on the front axel and the steering mechanism. Loading the tires will not.
Cliff
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Uhhh, maybe I am missing something here but how does it differ. I realize that the load will hang further back but weight, is weight whether it is in the tires, hanging off the 3PT or in wheel weights. Could you explain?
I filled the tires on my JD 4310 and it made it an entirely different tractor. It didn't bounce and felt firmly planted on the ground. This especially helped in any side-hill terrain. I don't think you can get any better weight than putting it in the tires which is right down on the ground. IMHO of course.
If your main job will be to mow the grass, than don't load the tires. Just get an implement or something heavy to hang off the back when you're using the loader.
Remember that while loading tires will help keep the back end on the ground when using the loader, this does not make the front end any less heavy with a load of gravel in the loader. That is, using ballast off the 3pt will lighten the front end and reduce stress on the front axel and the steering mechanism. Loading the tires will not.
Cliff
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Uhhh, maybe I am missing something here but how does it differ. I realize that the load will hang further back but weight, is weight whether it is in the tires, hanging off the 3PT or in wheel weights. Could you explain?
I filled the tires on my JD 4310 and it made it an entirely different tractor. It didn't bounce and felt firmly planted on the ground. This especially helped in any side-hill terrain. I don't think you can get any better weight than putting it in the tires which is right down on the ground. IMHO of course.
Cliff_Johns
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Loaded tires are very helpful for side of hill terrain, but that's not what we're addressing here.
The ballast .vs loaded tire issue has been discussed many times here. For FEL work, the key is to think of where the fulcrum is for the weight you're adding. If you load the tires, the fulcrum is still the front axel. If you hang something off the 3pt, then the fulcrum is the rear axel thus transfering some of the weight from the front axel to the rear axel.
Cliff
The ballast .vs loaded tire issue has been discussed many times here. For FEL work, the key is to think of where the fulcrum is for the weight you're adding. If you load the tires, the fulcrum is still the front axel. If you hang something off the 3pt, then the fulcrum is the rear axel thus transfering some of the weight from the front axel to the rear axel.
Cliff
this weight thing has been visited before. it is a physics and engineering problem that is difficult to explain without drawings.
think of your tractor as a see-saw with the rear tires as the pivot point. the more weight you hang off the rear the less weight is on the front axle. there are still the same or greater stresses on your frame but on your front axle is placing less force onto the ground thus less front axle stress. if your tractor frame would not break under a tremendous stress you could actually lift your front end with enough weight behind the rear tires.
it is the same principle that lifts the rear of your tractor when your fel is full. in this case the front axle is the pivot point and a large load on the fel reduces stress on the rear axle (less force to the ground) but there is still the same or greater forec on the frame.
i personally believe any weight should be placed onto the rear tire rims first because that stresses only the rear tires and rims when not in heavy use. placing weights on any other part of tractor places increased constant downard pressure on various points (bearings) all all times.
a general rule is if you want to decrease force on an axle place weight on the opposite side of the other axle. if you want to decrease force on the frame (when not under heavy load) place the weight on the rims.
think of your tractor as a see-saw with the rear tires as the pivot point. the more weight you hang off the rear the less weight is on the front axle. there are still the same or greater stresses on your frame but on your front axle is placing less force onto the ground thus less front axle stress. if your tractor frame would not break under a tremendous stress you could actually lift your front end with enough weight behind the rear tires.
it is the same principle that lifts the rear of your tractor when your fel is full. in this case the front axle is the pivot point and a large load on the fel reduces stress on the rear axle (less force to the ground) but there is still the same or greater forec on the frame.
i personally believe any weight should be placed onto the rear tire rims first because that stresses only the rear tires and rims when not in heavy use. placing weights on any other part of tractor places increased constant downard pressure on various points (bearings) all all times.
a general rule is if you want to decrease force on an axle place weight on the opposite side of the other axle. if you want to decrease force on the frame (when not under heavy load) place the weight on the rims.
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"The ballast .vs loaded tire issue has been discussed many times here. For FEL work, the key is to think of where the fulcrum is for the weight you're adding. If you load the tires, the fulcrum is still the front axle. If you hang something off the 3pt, then the fulcrum is the rear axle thus transferring some of the weight from the front axle to the rear axle."
My tires are loaded. I really thought that would be enough for loader work, but I was wrong.
I recently picked up a ballast box. My estimate would be 500 to 600 pounds. What a difference that made when using the loader! Normally, when I tried to dig into some dirt or gravel that had clumped, I'd just spin the rear tires (fronts too, sometimes). Using the differential lock helped some...but that rear ballast made a world of difference!
None of my implements are heavy enough to make good ballast, except the rotary cutter. The cutter is way too long to be of any help...plus turning too quickly, the cutter is the tail that wags the dog sometimes.
Deere ballast boxes cost about $180...but you can rig up something that is an equivalent if you think about it. I bought the Deere box from a friend who never used it, so I got mine for ½ price, including several hundred pounds of sand. To increase usage, I'll probably use the box (less a few hundred pounds of sand) to add weight to my pick up this winter.
My tires are loaded. I really thought that would be enough for loader work, but I was wrong.
I recently picked up a ballast box. My estimate would be 500 to 600 pounds. What a difference that made when using the loader! Normally, when I tried to dig into some dirt or gravel that had clumped, I'd just spin the rear tires (fronts too, sometimes). Using the differential lock helped some...but that rear ballast made a world of difference!
None of my implements are heavy enough to make good ballast, except the rotary cutter. The cutter is way too long to be of any help...plus turning too quickly, the cutter is the tail that wags the dog sometimes.
Deere ballast boxes cost about $180...but you can rig up something that is an equivalent if you think about it. I bought the Deere box from a friend who never used it, so I got mine for ½ price, including several hundred pounds of sand. To increase usage, I'll probably use the box (less a few hundred pounds of sand) to add weight to my pick up this winter.
escavader
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Looking at a Kubota BX or small B CUT. THe main job will be to mow the grass, but we will be landscaping and road maintenance.
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kC ,
I loaded the tires front and back on my bx-23.I dont mow with it,but my projects i have,take me back and forth,and turning around on it all the time.I also have the ag tires on it.With the tires and back hoe,i estimate im over 2700 lbs according to the specs.I hardly ever mark up the laem,and my neighbor was real impressed when i went down in her apple orchard last spring,to do some work .The bx never sunk in at all.
The rule of thumb is,keep it out of 4wd on the lawn,Dont use the differential lock,and avoid tight turns at high speeds,and you shouldnt have a problem.
A 4 wide loader can be tippy on side hills ,and easy to put over,id load em,and id buy turfs if your gonna mow.Weight in them tires means a lower center of gravity,and easier on axles,and tractors...as previous posted.more weight in those tires will help anyone who is moving snow too.I ve run tractors with and without,i think with is safer.Also if you were to buy a B series the tires are larger making the tractor taller,with not alot of width difference from the Bx.Remember them Jeep cjs from years back,or some of the other suvs,how easy they go over,same thing in my opinion.
ALAN
ALAN
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kC ,
I loaded the tires front and back on my bx-23.I dont mow with it,but my projects i have,take me back and forth,and turning around on it all the time.I also have the ag tires on it.With the tires and back hoe,i estimate im over 2700 lbs according to the specs.I hardly ever mark up the laem,and my neighbor was real impressed when i went down in her apple orchard last spring,to do some work .The bx never sunk in at all.
The rule of thumb is,keep it out of 4wd on the lawn,Dont use the differential lock,and avoid tight turns at high speeds,and you shouldnt have a problem.
A 4 wide loader can be tippy on side hills ,and easy to put over,id load em,and id buy turfs if your gonna mow.Weight in them tires means a lower center of gravity,and easier on axles,and tractors...as previous posted.more weight in those tires will help anyone who is moving snow too.I ve run tractors with and without,i think with is safer.Also if you were to buy a B series the tires are larger making the tractor taller,with not alot of width difference from the Bx.Remember them Jeep cjs from years back,or some of the other suvs,how easy they go over,same thing in my opinion.
ALAN
ALAN
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I hardly ever mark up the laem,and my neighbor was real impressed when i went down in her apple orchard last spring,to do some work .The bx never sunk in at all.
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Loaded tires are less prone to tearing up a yard, as they are less likely to spin.
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Loaded tires are less prone to tearing up a yard, as they are less likely to spin.
Tom4310
Silver Member
Very good explanation. I see the pivot point idea and how it would help decrease weight off the front. I guess I do get it now...
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( this weight thing has been visited before. it is a physics and engineering problem that is difficult to explain without drawings.
think of your tractor as a see-saw with the rear tires as the pivot point. the more weight you hang off the rear the less weight is on the front axle. there are still the same or greater stresses on your frame but on your front axle is placing less force onto the ground thus less front axle stress. if your tractor frame would not break under a tremendous stress you could actually lift your front end with enough weight behind the rear tires.
it is the same principle that lifts the rear of your tractor when your fel is full. in this case the front axle is the pivot point and a large load on the fel reduces stress on the rear axle (less force to the ground) but there is still the same or greater forec on the frame.
i personally believe any weight should be placed onto the rear tire rims first because that stresses only the rear tires and rims when not in heavy use. placing weights on any other part of tractor places increased constant downard pressure on various points (bearings) all all times.
a general rule is if you want to decrease force on an axle place weight on the opposite side of the other axle. if you want to decrease force on the frame (when not under heavy load) place the weight on the rims. )</font>
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( this weight thing has been visited before. it is a physics and engineering problem that is difficult to explain without drawings.
think of your tractor as a see-saw with the rear tires as the pivot point. the more weight you hang off the rear the less weight is on the front axle. there are still the same or greater stresses on your frame but on your front axle is placing less force onto the ground thus less front axle stress. if your tractor frame would not break under a tremendous stress you could actually lift your front end with enough weight behind the rear tires.
it is the same principle that lifts the rear of your tractor when your fel is full. in this case the front axle is the pivot point and a large load on the fel reduces stress on the rear axle (less force to the ground) but there is still the same or greater forec on the frame.
i personally believe any weight should be placed onto the rear tire rims first because that stresses only the rear tires and rims when not in heavy use. placing weights on any other part of tractor places increased constant downard pressure on various points (bearings) all all times.
a general rule is if you want to decrease force on an axle place weight on the opposite side of the other axle. if you want to decrease force on the frame (when not under heavy load) place the weight on the rims. )</font>
pat32rf
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I have removable weights for my 3pth, loaded tires(rears) but the best counterweight by far for fel work is the backhoe! On side hills you can swing it uphill and extend it even. When backing out of a sloppy clay hole you can also use it to pull or push as needed. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif