TPH scoop, hydraulic

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madrooster

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Greetings, First post.
I'm building a TPH scoop. The scoop is finished. I have a JD 650,( Yanmar)
I'm planning to use a 14" stroke cylinder. Can someone tell me what control valve to use? What is a closed or open center? I'm buying my components from Burdens Surplus Sales. Thanks in advance.
 
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How about some pics so peeps can get better idea of your application.
 
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madrooster, closed and open center:

JD has so called "load sensing" hydraulics on their bigger tractors (i suppose your 650 has a cheap and simple gear pump, because its a machine in a different price class than a 7030 series, and you say its a Yanmar)

Open center (continous flow) pumps need open center valves: If no spool valve is operated, the oil flows through the open center spool valves back to the reservoir, with minimal restriction. If the spool valve would be closed center, the oil has nowhere to go, and is blown off by the pressure relief valve at max pressure, with lots of energy loss and heat buildup.
Pumping oil around in the system, allways has some energy loss, but pumps are 1/5 of the price of a variable pump with load sensing controller.

Load sensing hydraulics need closed center spool valves: A load sensing system has a variable flow pump, which is controlled automatically. when no oil is required, the pump builds up to max. system pressure because the oil cant go anywhere when no spool valve is operated. As soon as the max pressure is reached, the load sensing thingy, swings the pump back in flow, untill its in a neutral position: it does turn, but doesnt deliver oil.
As soon as the spool valve is operated, the pressure has a way out of the system, and the load sensing device swings the variable pump back in work mode.

A load sensing system is more durable (the plungers of the pump dont cause mechanical friction when rotating in null stroke mode) and they build up less heat, because they dont circulate oil flow through valves, hoses and filters when its not required.


Regarding the size of a JD 650, i'm 99% sure that JD uses a gear pump in this tractor, because its 80% cheaper. That means you require an open center hydraulic spool valve.

To be 100% sure, ask a JD guru about the type of pump used on your machine.



About plumbing in extra spool valves:

Make sure you NEVER use T pieces in an open center system. In that case, the oil flow will run where it meets least friction, which is via the open center of the OTHER spool valve back to the tank.

You need it to enter 1 port, exit the other, into the 2nd spool valve. (connected in series, not parallel)
Make sure the spool valve has two exits for the oil flow, 1 going on to the 2nd spool valve, 1 for return flow. My brother once plumbed in a frontloader that wouldnt drop, because another spool valve pressurised the return line...
 
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Thanks Renze, now I know what to order. I'll post pic's soon.
 
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Thanks Renze, now I know what to order. I'll post pic's soon.

I think its called a pressurised outlet. (and a free return outlet) Not sure though, with the frontloader we fixed it otherwise:
We hooked the 2 section spool valve to the single remote outlet of the tractor. this way the 3pt lift has priority, then the single remote outlet and then the 2 section valve block.
However it allways occupies the single remote outlet already on the tractor, causing more internal friction and heat buildup.

I assume there are no standard remote oulets on your tractor, which means that you need the 2 exit remote valve, pressurised exit and free return exit. When explaining this to a hydraulics guy, he'll know what you mean.
 

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