Tractors vs Construction Equipment

   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment #1  

hayden

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I just got a dozer to complement my tractor, and am intrigued by some of the design and service differences between the two. This is probably a bit like when a Florida kid who sees snow for the first time, so my pardon in advance to everyone who already knows all this. There's no real order to these observations - I'm just dumping them out. I've been in the product business all my life, and am facinated by different ways of designing and supporting products, which is why this is interesting to me. The dozer, by the way, is a 2006 Cat D5G which is a small/mid size dozer (95hp, 20,000lbs)

Designed for Servicing:

More design attention has gone into the dozer to enable quick and easy servicing. Hydraulic and fuel filters, for example, are behind convenient eye-level doors for quick changes. The hydraulic reservoir has a sight tube so you can inspect the level at a glance - no dipstick required. Engine and hydraulic oil drains have valves and fittings for drain tubes instead of just a plug. This beats the heck out of crawling under my tractor to change filters and fluids.

Another nice feature are hydraulic test ports labeled and located behind that same access door by the filters. You can hook a gauge up and test things out very quickly and easily.

Engine Starting:

All the tractors I've used (and my car too) have glow plugs to aid cold starting. In my experience, these work extremely well and enable the engine to start instantly when you crank it. In contrast, the Cat (and other dozers I looked at) have intake air heaters instead of glow plugs. We started up a couple of them in coldish weather (20 deg F), and they struggled to start even with these pre-heaters. I don't know why they don't use glow plugs.

One neat feature in the Cat is an automatic ether injector to aid cold starting. The air pre-heater still runs, then when you crank the engine a measured squirt of ether is injected. I'll report back on how it works after I have more operating time.

Nothing is on the Web:

And I mean NOTHING. You can find a bunch of info, parts, etc on line for tractors, but not for a Cat. I don't know how much of this is Cat and how much is the construction industry in general. However, read on because I think Cat has an even better solution to on-line access.

Conducting Business:

Business gets conducting in a different manner. Fundamentally it's a business-to-business relationship for the Dozer rather than a business-to-consumer relationship. Thinking about it, this makes sense since construction equipment is typically company-owned where tractors are typically individual-owned. The first thing you do at the Cat dealer is set up an account and fill out a credit application, just as you would do with any trade supplier. Once you have your account, you can order parts or anything else (I ordered a workshop manual), and they know who you are, what you own, and will drop ship directly to your home, office, or job site. No credit cards - they bill you monthly. It's VERY convenient.

Plus, I think they have an even better approach to on-line business. You have to fill out a request (associated with your account) for on-line access, and once granted you can access parts books, etc on-line, order parts, etc directly. I've haven't tried it yet, but I really like this approach. This online access includes an inventory of your equipment, maintenance performed, maintenance due, where the equipment is, etc. It's clearly geared towards fleets of equipment and managing them effectively. There are even options for remote monitoring of equipment. Very cool. I think tractor and car dealers should do this. You should be able to view all your car repair records on line, schedule maintenance, etc.

Service Level:

The last thing is the service level and attention. I can't say how much is this particular dealer (Milton Cat), versus the industry in general, but I'm loving it. When I called to order a service manual, it was simple and quick with a drop ship to my house and a bill at the end of the month. When I called to sign up for on-line access, the person I needed was at lunch, and I was told they'd have her call back. All too often that means nobody will call you and you'll need to try again on your own. I got a call back within 30 minutes, but couldn't take the call. When I called back, she was on the phone so I left a message. In less than a minute I had a return call and all my questions were answered. That's service!
 
   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment #2  
Buy a $125,000 ag tractor and make the comparison again~!

Seriously, eveything you stated is true. Time is money in construction. A down machine can cost you profitability on a job so if you get burned by poor service you won't go back. Cat understands that. So does Deere.

That's also why in the spring time repairs on a "gentleman's" tractor will get pushed out to hustle thru a farmers machine. He HAS to till, plant etc when the weather dictates.

jb
 
   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment #3  
All good points and observations. Now get out and put 2000 hrs on it a year like constuction outfits do(or hope to do).:D :D Then you'll know what all the service points are so easy to get to.:D A lot of the older Cats had glow plugs. My D3C (a '97 model) has them, but my D4H doesn't(A '95 model). My old D6C did to(early 60's). I have started the D4H down into the teens and have never put in a can of ether. The D3C will start faster and smooth out quicker with the glow plugs. Cat's parts system is great after you get all you info in.
It sounds like you got a great machine. Enjoy it and Good luck.
 
   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment #4  
Working in construction and dealing with dozers, excavators, etc is a whole different design than something that is meant for tilling the garden or plowing the field.
Where are you going to find complete belly pans on a field tractor. Imagine changing oil on one that has them.
I own both types and have to grin about this. I am envious of your purchase of your D5G. It makes a great finish dozer. I had the opportunity to run one with GPS on it Also a D6R GPS equipped. What a system. Enjoy you toys. I still feel like the kid in the sandbox after 40yrs in the industry, just bigger toys.
 
   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment
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I see you guys have seen snow before. :)

john_bud said:
Buy a $125,000 ag tractor and make the comparison again~! ...Time is money...

I think this really sums it up. With larger equipment you are making money (hopefully) if it's running, and losing money (for sure) when it's not.
 
   / Tractors vs Construction Equipment #6  
I agree with johnbud.. buy a more comercial AG tractor then make the comparison again to that comercial dozer.

We use lots of cat and Deere equipment at the GC I work at. We also use some CUT/UT tractors... our relationship with those dealers is much the same as cat... call in, order it, get it shipped, pay the bill at the end of the month.

The online CAT system is ok.. but it didn't impress me much.. I think I'd rather have a paper manual/parts book, and near limitless online support like I can find on scut/cut/ut/ag 'farm' tractors ;)

soundguy
 

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