Trailering question JD5410/impl w/Ford F250SD

[ejb]

Question.

I have a '99 Ford F250SD pickup that states it has a 10,000GVWR trailering capacity.

My tractor is a JD5410 w/loaded tires, loader, and a choice of implements. I estimate the total weight as:

JD5410 - 5500lbs
loaded rears 750 each
loader - 1000lbs
various implements 1500each.

For a total of 5500+750*2+1000+1500 = 9500lbs.

Getting close to the limits of what my truck will supposedly tow. I never really took the time to understand towing capacity...is the 10,000GVWR what I can put on a trailer, or what I can tow including the weight of a trailer..how much does a trailer, capable of holding 10Klbs, weigh?

Would the addition of a 5th wheel increase my towing ability?

Thanks all.

BTW: Any towing I would do would be short (less than 1 hr) and infrequent.

-EJB

 

[LarryRB]

I have a Bri-Mar 12,000 trailer, It's dead weight including chain boxes, etc, is very near 3,000 lbs. My TLB is at 8,000 or just over by a few lbs. So the total weight is 11,000.. Using my set up, you are at least 1,000 over or a shade more..

 

[BarryinMN]

I have a bumper pull 18' beavertail bobcat style 12K gvw trailer that weights empty right at 2K lbs leaving a payload of 10K.

You may need to upgrade your drivers license, add truckers medical, etc, to pull an over 10K gvw trailer even though it totals under 26K gross total. Over 10K vehicles & trailers each need annual DOT safety inspection stickers...

I pull mine with a 25.5K gross combined (truck & trailer) 1 ton Chevy cab & chassis dump body diesel.

DOT's are on the lookout for "hotshot loads" which are 3/4 & 1 ton single rear wheel pickups pulling a heavy gooseneck that overloads the pickup gross combined weight rating. Lockouts & fines from random weigh scales or stops etc. can make prevention much cheaper /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hate to say but leaving some toys behind or making 2 trips may save some coin /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[Panache]

Remember you have a max gross on the vehicle of 8800lbs. your truck empty is 7000+ if diesel. this gives only 1800 lbs of tounge weight available. Also I read my ins package and since being overweight is illegal they would not have to pay out for an accident. I have a F350 dually PSD just for that reason. Your weights are about the same as my tractor. It tows easily with the diesel and 410 rears.

 

[Indydirtfarmer]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have a bumper pull 18' beavertail bobcat style 12K gvw trailer that weights empty right at 2K lbs leaving a payload of 10K.

You may need to upgrade your drivers license, add truckers medical, etc, to pull an over 10K gvw trailer even though it totals under 26K gross total. Over 10K vehicles & trailers each need annual DOT safety inspection stickers...

I pull mine with a 25.5K gross combined (truck & trailer) 1 ton Chevy cab & chassis dump body diesel.

DOT's are on the lookout for "hotshot loads" which are 3/4 & 1 ton single rear wheel pickups pulling a heavy gooseneck that overloads the pickup gross combined weight rating. Lockouts & fines from random weigh scales or stops etc. can make prevention much cheaper /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hate to say but leaving some toys behind or making 2 trips may save some coin /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif )</font>

The "over 10,000 lb requirements" are only in effect if you're a commercial vehicle. If you are towing for personal use, of a non-commercial purpose ONLY, you are exemt (Until 26,001 lbs RATED GVW) (RATED is a key word too. Your actual weight, or what you have the vehicle tagged at is not what determines the requirement. It is the combined weight RATING of the truck and trailer. Naturally, if you exceed that, OR are above the tagged GVW, you are over-weight, and ALSO not in compliance.)

 

[BarryinMN]

Indydirtfarmer appears correct, I can skip inspections & medicals, I talked to a commercial trooper & now the only gray area is the Interstate DOT # for crossing state lines /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Last year the State Patrol had a PDF memo (now missing from their web site) that basically considered anybody commercial with anything over 10K lbs. I had to get a DOT # before renewing my tags /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/patrol/comveh/contacts_faqs/faqs.htm#What%20vehicles%20require%20a%20Minnesota%20Annual%20Inspection?

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/patrol/comveh/PDF%20Forms/driver.pdf

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/espa%C3%B1ol/english/pdfs/part_390.pdf

 

[Dargo]

My L5030HSTC with loader and 7' heavy duty bush hog weighs 7325 on the Co-Op scales. My 25' 5th wheel trailer has a 14,000 rating, but weighs right at 5000 empty. (obviously heavy built, but leaves me 9000 pounds to trailer on it) So, I'm towing a total of 12,325 pounds behind my pickup with that particular implement on my tractor and nothing additional on the trailer. My truck is around 7800 pounds I believe, so my total weight is 20,125 pounds.

My modified 3500 4X4 dually diesel Dodge pulls it without any problems at all. I can pull it up to 100 mph no problem (not advisable, but it does). There was a DOT cop at the Co-Op when I was fueling up a while back, and I asked him a few questions. Based on my truck and the plates I have on my truck and trailer (12k on truck and 14k on trailer), I would not exceed anything and am legal. I didn't quite catch what he said, but he did say something about 3/4 ton trucks and even 1 ton pickups with single rear wheels having different GVW ratings that would make what I'm towing illegal.

I would certainly think you would want a gooseneck trailer for towability reasons besides being much easier on your truck. However, if you add a 5000 pound gooseneck trailer to your total, you would be way over what your truck is rated to tow the best I can tell. You should ask some experts, but it sounds over to me. I've found that the DOT cops are much more civil when you are asking them questions ahead of time, rather than asking them when they are whipping out their portable scales and running that giant Q tip down your fuel tank. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif