TYM-America vs TYM-USA - What gives?

[LC Brewing]

I was looking for information regarding TYM tractors on the web, and come across the TYM-America website. Then I see that the 0% for 60 months "is not available in TYM-USA States" - which is every state within 500 miles of where I live. Further down the page is another statement about how they are in no way affiliated or responsible for actions of TYM-USA.

So what gives? The TYM-USA web page looks like something cooked up on a Commodore-64, has no info on the T233 and T273 tractors at all, has no way to look up or find dealers or other information, and appears to be run by some guy with a last name of "mullett" (flash-back to 1985...business in the front, party in the back...rednex UNITE!). Sorry - off on a tangent for a second there.

So, what gives? Is this some Hatfield and McCoys thing going on, or what? Are they selling the same tractors? Am I asking for a headache related to dealer service, parts availability, or support in general if I even look at these machines? So far, my experience with the local dealer has been that he doesn't even want to give me a price or let me look at the TYM line - he just wants to keep steering me in the direction of his own brand that is Chinese.

Anyone car to shed some light on this oddity?

 

[shvl73]

I think it's as simple as TYM having two distribution channels in the US with no overlap.
My Mahindra is TYM made and an excellent tractor.

 

[Bkjohns]

About all I can tell you is that one has the eastern half of the US market, the other the west. I don't know why, but that seems to be the deal.

I would recommend Valley View Tractor and Equipment, a dealer in Newburg, OR (just out of Portland). Very good service, and he has been with TYM in the US since the beginning. I have a T273 TLB and really like it. If you can find a good dealer near you, take a look. More expensive than some (Jinma for one) but seems to be good quality and a good company.

Good luck.

 

[PBinWA]

About all I can tell you is that one has the eastern half of the US market, the other the west. I don't know why, but that seems to be the deal.

I would recommend Valley View Tractor and Equipment, a dealer in Newburg, OR (just out of Portland). Very good service, and he has been with TYM in the US since the beginning. I have a T273 TLB and really like it. If you can find a good dealer near you, take a look. More expensive than some (Jinma for one) but seems to be good quality and a good company.

Good luck.

I'll second the recommendation for Valley View http://www.valleyviewtractors.com !

I bought my Mahindra from him but he also deals TYM. I think he gets some flack from Mahindra for the overlap but he is dealing with it. TYM's are assembled in Oregon so he has a good parts and support base.

Tell Steve at Valley View that we sent you! He is a GREAT dealer to work with.

PB

 

[coasterez]

Don't give up. Find that dealer! Or insist to the one you've been dealing with to let you see the K2's. The K2's are worth serious consideration. They offer excellent size/manueverability and hp that no one else quite matches up with.

BTW.... I think your dealer should be reported to TYM for not representing them fairly. I've seen it with other dealers on other products. I've never understood that phenomenon. Kinda makes no sense to me, especially when you make it clear you aren't interested in the "other model".

There's a guy on here, Chipperman, that is a TYM rep. Maybe he can help you.

I'm not sure why TYM has two "separate companies" setup for each coast. But, as I understand it, that's the way it is.

 

[LC Brewing]

Small world - I'm on Clark County as well.

I managed to stop by the dealer in Woodland again last night and catch the owner just as he was getting ready to leave. He was more amicable and informative than the salesman I've dealt with before. They had a T273 on display out front, and I was able to get prices from him.

All I can say is that prices seemed reasonable, but not jaw-dropping. $14,000for a T233 with loader, and $15,000 for a T273. I guess I would have expected them to be a little lower given they are a new(er) company trying to gain some market share. But what do I know.

The other thing that struck me was the size of the unit - it seems more like a SCUT than a true CUT to me. I haven't put the numbers side-by-side, but compared to the CK20 I stop and drool on just about every night on my way home, that TYM looks small. And when compared to the CK25, it looks downright tiny. I do like the skid-steer standard quick-connect on the TYM loader, but the loader itself seems small too. I haven't been able to find a spec sheet for the loader itself yet to make any comparisons, though.

The most confusing thing for me about the TYM-America versus the TYM-USA thing is the financing options. TYM advertises 0% for 60 months on their -America side for the K2 tractors. The best the dealer here could offer me was 6%, which he was calling "great rates". I can get much lower elsewhere. That doesn't exactly sweeten the deal to me.

 

[PBinWA]

There aren't a lot of "good" tractor dealer in Clark County. Some are OK but none are great. I found the best selection, competition, and service in the south of Portland where there is more serious agriculture going on. Just my observation. It was a bit of a drive and I wasted more than a few Saturdays hitting dealers when I was looking. It's a lot like car shopping - the task sucks but the end result is pretty nice.

 

[coasterez]

LC,
The specs are on the TYM-America Web sight:
http://www.tym-america.com/spect270hst.php


The CK20 does weigh more. Other than that, I believe the specs are very comparable, and in some cases better than the CK20. Its wider, more than a foot shorter, and therefore more stable. It can lift more on the 3 ph, and has the same hydraulic capacities. It even has a tiny bit more ground clearance. The short wheelbase and sleek design just make it look smaller. It's simply a more modern design. What I found was that the TYM is way more manueverable. And if this is a concern, the TYM is the better choice. Don't forget that the TYM also has considerably more hp - a far superior mowing machine.

There are only two drawbacks with the TYM. Dealer network and price. The TYM is priced too high, thousands more than a CK20. Pricing is on par with a JD 2520, which is also a very nice machine. But, if you've got the change to spend, the TYM is the better machine IMHO. But, the CK is the best value. I don't think you could go wrong with either one, though.

 

[coasterez]

Also noticed that the TYM loader lift capacity is 270 some pounds greater than the CK20. This is about 20% more - not to be ignored.

 

[coasterez]

BTW. The specs on the loader are in the loader manual that can be downloaded on their website.

 

[LC Brewing]

coasterez -
I'll have to take the time to do a more side-by-side look at them. You are right, the "sleek" design sure does make it look smaller. I should have thougt to look at the loader manual for the specs - I have the tractor specs already.

Quoted prices right now for the CK20 with FEL are running $13,600 with R4's - that has been from three different dealers, so I don't expect it to change (except go up when I'm actually finally ready to purchase ). The actual quoted "ad flyer" prices for the T233 was $13,950. T273 was exactly $1k more. The BH was "about $5500 more" to quote the dealer. I'll have to research what is/is not included in those prices, such as rear remotes and such. I'll also have to give Valley View a call - since they've been recommended by a couple of people here. If the specs for size, etc, are closer or better, then that seems reasonable, but not real attention-grabbing...especially when considering the issues with dealer network and relative unknown brand name (equals uncertain potential resale/depreciation). And when the financing is added to the mix, it is even less attractive. As I said, I'll have to look closer.

I'm also curious to see where Montana places their prices, add-on features, and financing when they actually start selling their branded T2334 and T2734, which are green painted TYM's. I learned a long time ago that it is really easy to be color blind as long as you know the quality inside is what it should be. And, on the other side of that coin, there is a lot of stuff out there that is getting more market share than it deserves simply because it is riding on the reputation that it's paint color has. I've run into it with woodworking machinery just like I've seen it while tractor shopping.

PBinWA -
I have to agree on Clark (and Cowlitz) county dealers. I'm not impressed so far. Seems that all they want to do is sell what they've got in stock, talk down about everything else (including the same brand, if they don't have the model in stock), and do everything half-assed. I've even had one tell me that there are no such things as "model years" with tractors (like cars), and that it doesn't matter if the one they are trying to sell me was manufactured in 2004 or 2005! While I know they don't change a ton of features like they do on cars every year, to me it still sounds like someone that wants to unload inventory they've been sitting on too long, but don't want to reduce the price. I'm not in the mood to buy something that has been sitting in the rain and weather for two years and consider it "new" - I'm spending too much money for that.

I've had good responses from dealers north, but haven't looked south yet too much. My research right now is limited to phone and email conversations, and the occasional tire-kicking when I get a chance to be out and about and drive by a dealer, (and this forum to great extents) to get the specs and the quoted prices recorded so I can do a good analysis of needs versus wants, as well as what units are out there that will fit into those categories. We actually went to a family reunion Sunday in Mount Angel and I was impressed at the number of dealers you see in all the little towns once you get off the I-5 and start venturing out into the agricultural lands. Reminds me of the Palouse (Pullman, WA and Moscow, ID) area near where I grew up - seems there's a tractor dealer within 2 miles of every homestead.

Anyway, once the paper research is done, then comes the financial planning and timing to get the proper funds allocated for making down payments, monthly payments, adding implements, etc. When I get my better half fully on board and we have made sure that the financing is right, then I'll be on a mad crusade to drive every tractor in my "short list" that is in stock within 100 miles! That's when I'll be making the final decision, so I'm sure as that time approaches I'll be making many more posts here.

 

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[Tom59]

coasterez -
I'll have to take the time to do a more side-by-side look at them. You are right, the "sleek" design sure does make it look smaller. I should have thougt to look at the loader manual for the specs - I have the tractor specs already.

Quoted prices right now for the CK20 with FEL are running $13,600 with R4's - that has been from three different dealers, so I don't expect it to change (except go up when I'm actually finally ready to purchase ). The actual quoted "ad flyer" prices for the T233 was $13,950. T273 was exactly $1k more. The BH was "about $5500 more" to quote the dealer. I'll have to research what is/is not included in those prices, such as rear remotes and such. I'll also have to give Valley View a call - since they've been recommended by a couple of people here. If the specs for size, etc, are closer or better, then that seems reasonable, but not real attention-grabbing...especially when considering the issues with dealer network and relative unknown brand name (equals uncertain potential resale/depreciation). And when the financing is added to the mix, it is even less attractive. As I said, I'll have to look closer.

I'm also curious to see where Montana places their prices, add-on features, and financing when they actually start selling their branded T2334 and T2734, which are green painted TYM's. I learned a long time ago that it is really easy to be color blind as long as you know the quality inside is what it should be. And, on the other side of that coin, there is a lot of stuff out there that is getting more market share than it deserves simply because it is riding on the reputation that it's paint color has. I've run into it with woodworking machinery just like I've seen it while tractor shopping.

PBinWA -
I have to agree on Clark (and Cowlitz) county dealers. I'm not impressed so far. Seems that all they want to do is sell what they've got in stock, talk down about everything else (including the same brand, if they don't have the model in stock), and do everything half-assed. I've even had one tell me that there are no such things as "model years" with tractors (like cars), and that it doesn't matter if the one they are trying to sell me was manufactured in 2004 or 2005! While I know they don't change a ton of features like they do on cars every year, to me it still sounds like someone that wants to unload inventory they've been sitting on too long, but don't want to reduce the price. I'm not in the mood to buy something that has been sitting in the rain and weather for two years and consider it "new" - I'm spending too much money for that.

I've had good responses from dealers north, but haven't looked south yet too much. My research right now is limited to phone and email conversations, and the occasional tire-kicking when I get a chance to be out and about and drive by a dealer, (and this forum to great extents) to get the specs and the quoted prices recorded so I can do a good analysis of needs versus wants, as well as what units are out there that will fit into those categories. We actually went to a family reunion Sunday in Mount Angel and I was impressed at the number of dealers you see in all the little towns once you get off the I-5 and start venturing out into the agricultural lands. Reminds me of the Palouse (Pullman, WA and Moscow, ID) area near where I grew up - seems there's a tractor dealer within 2 miles of every homestead.

Anyway, once the paper research is done, then comes the financial planning and timing to get the proper funds allocated for making down payments, monthly payments, adding implements, etc. When I get my better half fully on board and we have made sure that the financing is right, then I'll be on a mad crusade to drive every tractor in my "short list" that is in stock within 100 miles! That's when I'll be making the final decision, so I'm sure as that time approaches I'll be making many more posts here.

Also the TYM warranty iirc is longer. Go read up on them in the T273 section here most of us owners have given fairly lengthy reviews. My two choices were also the CK20 and the TYM the TYM was WAY more maneuverable and had the same BH.

I've worked mine pretty hard and it's been up to every task. The ergonomics are way better also. I love the two pedal setup. The CK has a much better paint job and thats something TYM lacks. Its a crying shame they can't paint them correctly.

Reading that TYM_Korea ....Get the paint jobs done properly and load it on .....half these dealers leave them in the rain,snow .....under trees. I just re-painted some of the areas that required it. Battery box the grill screws and clips.

 

[jimmy123]

I agree great tractor.....but the paint job really needs help!

 

[jrsavoie]

What exactly is a CK20?

LC,
The specs are on the TYM-America Web sight:
Tym-America.com


The CK20 does weigh more. Other than that, I believe the specs are very comparable, and in some cases better than the CK20. Its wider, more than a foot shorter, and therefore more stable. It can lift more on the 3 ph, and has the same hydraulic capacities. It even has a tiny bit more ground clearance. The short wheelbase and sleek design just make it look smaller. It's simply a more modern design. What I found was that the TYM is way more manueverable. And if this is a concern, the TYM is the better choice. Don't forget that the TYM also has considerably more hp - a far superior mowing machine.

There are only two drawbacks with the TYM. Dealer network and price. The TYM is priced too high, thousands more than a CK20. Pricing is on par with a JD 2520, which is also a very nice machine. But, if you've got the change to spend, the TYM is the better machine IMHO. But, the CK is the best value. I don't think you could go wrong with either one, though.

 

[Btown]

What exactly is a CK20?

It is a subcompact tractor built by Kioti.

 

[k0ua]

What exactly is a CK20?

TractorData.com Kioti CK20 tractor information

TractorData.com Kioti CK20S tractor information