Value of my 1989 430 Garden tractor

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I do not know the answer to "how to file a parts price complaint" with John Deere. I do not work for John Deere or a dealer. I just sell new and used Deere Parts on eBay and not under the name I use here either.

jeffinsgf
Your not busting my bubble or offending me in any way. What you said now makes perfect sense to me and is the kind of information I was looking for. I too am bitten by the bug on these very strong and capable tractors and the power this 430 has as well as the economical operation has impressed me so much I really don't want to turn it into...DEERE PARTS...even though I know I could turn a substantial profit on this machine.

I would enjoy hearing from guys that show these things to find out what it takes to win or do well in something like that, types of classes etc. That would make a great thread all by itself

All the best to you and yours over the holidays and for many years to come. Good luck on your search for the 140.

Timb
The 2 speed Hi - Low range is in the transaxle/differential and not affected by the transmission itself.

I don't have any idea how they figuered the hyraulic flow or changed it unless it was done in the selective control valves by using shims, valving or restriction fittings in the lines. They may have even under rated the 300 series on paper from what they actually put out simply as a marketing too to be able to justify more money for the 400 series. The horse power and torque may be a factor too as a larger HP engines could sustain higher flow rates and pressure under load without stalling.

The transmissions and charge pumps themselves are identical inside and out

The transmissions for the 316 serial#285001 and up with the onan engine only will fit your 318 the one from the 1978 model 316 that had the kohler engine will not.

The only major difference that matters is the shaft where the linkage hooks to the transmission.

All 316 with onan engine, 318, 322, 330, 332, 420 and 430 tractors serial number 475000 and under have a round linkage shaft

All 316 with onan engine, 318, 322, 330, 332, 420 and 430 tractors serial number 475001 and up have a square linkage shaft.

If you have a bad 318 transmission with say the square shaft and a good 316 (with onan) transmission with the round shaft. All you have to do is disassemble the 2 transmissions (keeping the parts separate I hope) and reassemble the good 316 transmission using the 318's square tipped shaft instead. If I remember correctly It cost me about $200 for all new bearings (just because I was already inside it) and all new seals. My 316 tranny had the round shaft and the 430 had the square so I have done exactly what was stated here

Here are some pics of the transmission work.

430 Tranny exactly as I found it at the dealership

316 transmission almost ready for assembly with square shaft from 430

316 trans installed in the 430...A perfect fit


The dealer has even complimented me on how strong the hydraulics were while using the 3 point hitch and was surprised it was lifting stuff without having to move the throttle past idle.

 

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Shawk originally posted this in another thread.

I might even consider it. Anybody game for a Deere 430 with MFWD, loader, Cat 1 3pt and ROPS. This could be a fun winter project. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

This is what I consider a challenging restoration

 

[Ziggy2305]

I recently traded in my 1990 430,3PH, rear PTO, unknown hours(missing hourmeter). It did have new paint and decals and rated about 7 for appearance, compared to new. Against a $13000 purchase, I was allowed $2600, which I considered fair, considering current market conditions and demand. These tractors are from a bygone era, and the list of buyers is shorter due to the increasing age because market perception is that newer(warrentied) is better. 1900 hours doesn't qualify your rig for special consideration, and the cosmetics are rough. It obviously hasn't been garage kept and the assumption will be that the rest of the tractor has been similarly neglected. I see it as a $1500 piece as is, $3000 max repainted, because it will be repainted, not original. Just my opinion, good luck!!

 

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Ziggy2305

Thank you for your opinion which is what I am asking for here and your remarks are in line with how I am thinking right now. BTW I'll assume you traded for a 2305 and if so I would absolutly love to hear your comparison of these two great models comparing performance, comfort and operating characteristics because I am seriously considering a 2305, 2320 or 2520 next spring. the 2305 is all I need but I like the onramp deck of the 2x20's mainly for the ease of detaching it and getting it out from under the tractor because of my disabilities.

Here is what I feel now as this ummmmmmmm.....census goes along and ya'll are really helping me to make a decision on this.

1). The average buyer looking for a nice Lawn or Garden Tractor will look at a picture and feel that the whole thing is junk or seriously neglected because of poor cosmetics and the fact they don't know the machine like the owner does. And that is a fair assumtion. After all it's their money.

2). Others can see how bad it looks better than me in the pictures because I am, "blinded by love" with this machines stellar performance and fuel economy that was way better than I expected since I bought it to cut my 2 acres and do a little box blading last may. I'm sold on these Yanmar diesel engines.

3). A price of $1500 -mabey $1800 possible if I can find the right buyer as it sits now.

4). A price of say $2500 - mabey $3000 possible selling it with a good paint job and new decals

5). A price of $4k+ restored only if I found exactly the right person who just has to have it and doesn't care what it costs.

I thank each and every who has responded to this thread for their ideas and opinions and would love to hear more either on this tractor or from those of you who have had a similar 300 or 400 series that now own a 2305 or 2520. I think I'll start a new thread on that a little later

 

[Ziggy2305]

Deere-Parts, I did in fact trade my 430 in. I was delighted when I bought it 2 years ago for my 2 acre property. I used it only for mowing, letting it sit for the winter. I looked into a snowslower, but wasn't willing to buck up for it and didn't want to put a blade on it with only 2WD. I built a new shop and ended up with steep hills to mow once the fill was in around it. It is too steep to side mow even with the wheels set wide. Several times I mowed up and down the hill and needed to lock the rear to get up, which was ok, however, coming down I broke traction and skidded my new found bobsled to the bottom with only steering and the hope to make down straight forward and not slide sideways. I quickly realized that the demands of my new yard exceeded the capabilities of my 430. When I went to my local dealer I looked at the X595 and 2210. 4wd was a strict requirement, after that I could work with options as needed. I ended up with a new 2305, primarily because it is an evolution of the 2210, and I like the newer look better. They are really identical tractors with extremely minor differences. The 2210/2305 tractor is certainly a step above the X series tractors in capacity, but it lacks the creature comforts of the more L&G friendly X's.
I did get the front blade for my new tool (toy) and have had the opportunity to use it once, with shining results. I also got the 62c deck, and I like the quality of the cut, noise level and absolute power this will mow with.
When I bought the tractor, the independent lift was not yet available, so my dealer (Robert Little, Inc) installed the regular lift and ordered the independent. Whe the parts finally were available, I picked up a complete new lift kit,used what I needed and returned the rest to them,no charge, no problem. In short, I am totally satisfied with my dealer and my tractor!! I thought I would miss the 430, but the 2305 is superior enough to eclipse my formerly great experience.
I do have two slight gripes with this tractor, first, the ROPS is a real pain when mowing close to short trees, of which I have several. I have been hit in the back several times by branches that have come in contact with the bar. also the seat height is slightly than the 430, requiring me to be attentive on my missions. Nothing dangerous, just something to remember. I realize the tractor is only as smart as it's operator and take that responsibility seriously.
Dump the old, buy the new, enjoy the next twenty to thirty years, carefully maintaining your new tractor, and then sell it as the well preserved classic your and my 430's want to be. Let us know how it works out!!!

 

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Ziggy2305

Great story and thank you for sharing that with me. Answered my questions exactly.

Curious if your 430 had the deluxe suspention seat or not like mine does. This thing makes it hard for me to get on and off.

One of the biggest factors fo me wanting to upgrade to a 2305, 2320 (when they come out) or 2520 is my disabilities. I have 2 severly messed up feet, 2 messed up hips, a bad back and a right arm I can't raise over my head at the age of 41. I'm sure in the next 10 to 20 years I'll be in a wheel chair because of this disease if the doctors can't slow it down so I'm trying to plan for that day so I can still get out and play and enjoy something. As long as I can still pull myself onto a tractor I will play. If I can't pull myself up I'll hire sombody to put me on my tractor.

I've even driven my 430 to the gas station 4 miles each way for the lack of anything better to do and get more diesel, and the fact the gas station ran out of gasoline after hurricane Katrina so I didn't want to waste that $3.00+ gallon of gas when the car only holds 14 gallons anyway. I figured the Sherrif was going to pull me over when he saw me but he didn't and he passed me twice in 2 hours driving down the street. A constuction crew putting in a new water main absolutly lost it when I passed the flagman holding a sign that said slow and I yelled at him "SLOW!!! **** I can't go any faster"

I like the 2305 for it's price, open platform, controls in reach and low height. I like the 2520 for the very well proportioned look and onramp deck and hoping the 2320 will be a nice cross of them both.

 

[Ziggy2305]

Deere-Parts
My 430 had the suspension seat and I had to rebuild the shafts and bushings due to wear. I added grease zerks while I was at it for future life span. I do miss that on the 2305, but have heard of people swiping the suspension off the X series and installing it on this tractor.
I am sorry to hear of your disability and would like to offer a couple comments from my perspective. Please forgive and ignore the following if it's too presumptious...
I am 43 now;on December 9,2002, my then 18 year old son was diagnosed with stage 4 (terminal) cancer and was given 9 to 12 months to live. In December, 2003, my wife was also diagnosed with colon cancer, and was operated on Jan 24, 2004. The day after her surgery, her mother died in the same hospital,on the same floor. My son died April 1,2004.
Please do not feel pity, or even sadness for me and mine, there are many people much worse off than us. My reason for telling you this is only to make the following points.
We have absolutely no clue what the future holds, nor do we really want to. If I had been told on our wedding day the heartbreak I would have to endure, I would not have been able to handle it. Your docs have given you some idea of what your future holds, this can be a blessing or a curse. On the one hand, you (we) can deny and ignore the truth, whine, and approach the inevitable with fear and trembling, effectively ending our lives now. On the other hand, we can also choose to acknowledge the following; 1) Everybody dies, period! We are blessed with a little glimpse of the details. 2)We aren't given more than we can handle, therefore I must be somehow a little better equipped to carry this burden, also, therefore,Icannot and will not fail, I will carry on and be an example of faith under fire. 3) Time is much more precious to me than to the average man. Clocks ticking signify our approach to eternity, and every click is traded for whatever action I am up to at that time,never to be recovered. There is no such thing as making up for lost time.
I have a renewed interest in making the best of what is given to me; I love my wife and family, and make sure they know it. I started riding motorcycles again after a 25 year break, I got a new tractor, a new truck, new snowmobiles. These things are just things, and I have no intention of trying to replace my losses with these. I simply and only enjoy these things and relish the time to do so. I want to arrive at my graveside with a flushed face, breathless saying "What a ride"
In summary, assuming your finances can tolerate it, do what you enjoy, taking care to shoulder the responsibilities you have as well. If a new tractor makes you smile(you know it does or you wouldn't be here) go for it! I go out and start mine just to hear it run!! If you need special adaptations as your health declines, make it happen. Embrace life as you live it. You are only getting one.....clock's ticking
I apologize for the long post, I hope you find a little encouragement in there somewhere.... Take care!!

 

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Ziggy, I send you my blessings. Stay Strong.

Yep I'm now trying to make the best of it, I was floored at first having never been sick or broken a bone in my life. But it kind of makes sense to me why I've never been sick because this disease is the rusult of an immune system that over reacted and they are trying to shut it down.

One the hardest for me to take was... there I was at 36 years old, Just went through basic training (the second time in my career after a 6 year break from service), I graduated jump school at 36 in a class that started with over 320 people only about 200 made it, and went to special forces selection at 37, I was a paratrooper in the 82nd airborne, could run 2 miles in under 14 minutes at the time and could maintain a steady pace for over 10 miles. I also received the bronze star in Afghanistan in 2002.

I was diagnosed with this right after returning from Afghanistan but still beeing AIRBORNE!!! I went to Iraq 9 months later where I started a gradual decline. 9 months later I returned home and continued to decline to where I could not stand for a few minutes without a cane because of the pain in my feet and back. In April 2005 I was medically retired with 16 proud years of service to this great country.

Because this isn't terminal and I have been blessed with knowing what my future might possibly hold I am trying to plan for it so I can make the best of what I have.

Uncle Sam continues to take care of me the best way a big buerocracy can and I was able to retain all of the benifits I would have received if I did 20 years and retired so I feel I met my goal to take care of my family in the future should something happen to me which is all I really care about.

My toys are strictly so I have something to do so I don't go stir crazy. If it's nice I play with the tractor and if it's nasty I play with my model railroad, so that goal is accomplished.

I don't want pity because as far as I'm concerned I have met all objectives and accomplished all important missions I needed to do and the rest is out of my hands. I find a prayer that helps is the serenity prayer that I learned when I went to alcohol rehab in 1992....God grant me the serenety to accept the things I can not change, The courage to change the things that I can and the wisdom to know the difference....I'm not a very relegious or spiritual man but that phrase has stuck in my head since it was taught to me.