very hard to start

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candyman

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i have a gc2610 tlb has 130 hrs. on it when temp. gets below freezing or so, it is very hard to start sometimes i run the battery dead trying.

any suggestions.
thanks,

cm
 
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first check to see if your glow plugs are working, could be something as easy as a broken wire or blown fuse.
My tractor refuses to start if left out on the cold mornings (-10c and below) A mechanic told me that the oil is too thick and the block too cold. So i put in a block heater and that solved the problem. A person just up the road glued a heater on the bottom of the oil sump, works just as well as a block heater.
 
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Block heater is def. worth the investment. You have a new 20k tractor, why would you not have a block heater if you live where it gets to be tha cold?
 
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Our 1523 was like that, either use multiple glow cycles, or get a block heater.

That small engine seems to not like the cold.

The 1600 series start much better in the cold than the 1523 did, same engine as GC.
 
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I don't get as cold as some parts of the country. My Branson recently suffered a cold start ... upon investigation I found the wire that goes to the glow plug bar to be loose. I tightened it and solved the problem.

Have you also tryed to cycle the glow plugs several times?
 
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i have a gc2610 tlb has 130 hrs. on it when temp. gets below freezing or so, it is very hard to start sometimes i run the battery dead trying

i have never run my battery dead, but these things don't like starting when it's cold... nature of the beast.

when you think about it, they should be kept inside during the winter anyways. i just built a heated shed for mine, that way the hydro and engine oil are both warm before i take it outside. i don't have a link handy, but i'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of engine/transmission component wear occurs the first few minutes after cold start.
 
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I have owned one of these tractors for 7 years, and have never had "trouble" starting mine in cold weather.

Sure the block heater "solves" the problem, and if you have $125 to spend, you can add one. Your still going to have to know how to start the tractor, when you forget to plug it in.

In that case, you just need to understand that starting one of these in cold weather, requires a different starting procedure than a normal warm weather start.

First, your glow plug time needs to be extended longer as the temperature decreases. In extremely cold weather, it could be as long as 45 seconds. Perhaps even longer, as your glow plugs get old.

You also have to consider the air density, cold air is more dense. So, very cold air means you are adding more air to your fuel mixture, making too lean to start.

To solve this problem, you simply open the throttle partway before cranking. How much depends on temperature.

On a very cold day, (single digits, or lower), mine starts right up with about 3-4 seconds of cranking, after 30 seconds of glow plug time, and the throttle opened 1/4 of the way.

Each one is going to be a little different; you need to try different combination's to determine what works for you.

If you find your still cranking after 5-6 seconds STOP, and try a different combination. Running the starter until the battery is dead, serves no purpose.

It is a good idea to have a float charger on your battery when not using your tractor, so it is putting out full cranking power in the cold. I added a plug under my dash, so I don't have to open the hood, to put the float charger on my battery.

Keep in mind, as a diesel engine gets worn, it gets harder to start, so your starting procedure may need to be modified eventually.

I have a mower with a Mitsubishi 3 cylinder diesel engine that has over 4000 hours on it. I can start it pretty easily even in the dead of winter. But, some people can't get it to start it in the summer. The only difference is technique.
 
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i have a gc2610 tlb has 130 hrs. on it when temp. gets below freezing or so, it is very hard to start sometimes i run the battery dead trying.

any suggestions.
thanks,

cm

The diesel engines high compression ratio and the fact that the battery output is reduced by cold temperatures works against easy starting when it gets cold.The high compression ratio increases the normal starter torque requirements and the increased oil viscosity ( both engine lube oil and hydraulic system fluid) when the temperature drops increases the required starter torque even more. The peak temperatures in the cylinder due to the compression are also lower so the combustion reaction is a bit harder to get started. Glow plugs and inlet heaters (Thermostart system) help this later issue. The other issues can be helped by block heaters (both cylinder warming and oil viscosity reduction) and battery heaters (increased battery output). Some tractors have hydraulic sump heaters as an option to allow for faster hydraulic operation in cold weather and further enhance starting.

I use block heaters on our diesel powered equipment and that has made for easier starts in cold weather. They are not expensive to buy and are generally easy to insall and don't consume that much power during the 2 hr warm up period. They also save wear and tear on the engine. I have the feeding tractor on a timer that's set to go on before I feed. It's has a cab and heater and the block heater warms the coolant so I have cab heat sooner.

I'd recommend a block heater for improved diesel engine starting in cold weather.
 
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thank you all for the advise glow plugs are ok i`ll try ray66 advise first before i get a block heater.

cm
 

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