Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator

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I also got around to installing the aux A/B valves today. I plugged the spare valve ports with the caps that originally came with the machine, both to keep dirt out as well as in case the valves get turned by accident.

While I was at it, I finished wrapping all of the hoses that go to the stick. For the record, 10 meters was not nearly enough to do the entire machine. I have less than 2 meters left and a half dozen hoses on the boom left to cover, so I will have another 10m on the way shortly.

Since I’m posting pictures, I have also included a photo of my installed hydraulic cooler mount (prior to the hoses/power being connected). Seems to be holding up well enough after 10 hours, so I am declaring that one a solid win.
 

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   / Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator
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I am still working to find suitable hoses/fittings for connecting my cushion valve. My preferred hose shop looked at me blankly when I asked about DIN 2353 Light fittings, so I visited another local shop yesterday to see if they had what I need. While they had all of the required parts, they quoted me around $240 for making the four hoses that I need. I can get the same four custom hoses from Discount Hydraulic Hose for nearly half the cost, and I believe that I can almost halve the cost again by using fittings in place of two of those hoses. I intend to chat with them tomorrow to confirm my plan and place an order.

At this point, I wish that I had ordered the $250 kit from Central Digger Supply. (Due to their current military service, they're presently out of stock and have taken the kit down from their store, so I can't link to it directly at the moment.) I have spent a lot of time coming up with my own solution, and I ultimately won't end up saving all that much over the kit. However, the process has taught me a lot, which should save some time with future hose repairs. Lesson learnt.
 
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Have you found a good spec sheet for fluid change? I've found a couple different generic ones. Im looking to clean and flush the hydraulic system and the engine oil. At the same time, I plan to install a cooler and filter.
 
   / Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator #35  
Have you found a good spec sheet for fluid change? I've found a couple different generic ones. Im looking to clean and flush the hydraulic system and the engine oil. At the same time, I plan to install a cooler and filter.
I don't know what you expect to get from the maker. Since these units use a simple gear pump, and use no piston motors or wet brakes, standard hydraulic fluids are fine. Your new, clean generic ISO fluid from Walmart is fine. Just get the original fluid (and manufacturing swarf) out while the machine is still new.

The engines are Honda-clone gasoline, so you can follow Honda advice for that. Or Briggs, if you have one of those.
 
   / Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator #36  
sounds good. The one sheet i saw said a standard ISO 46 hydraulic oil. I think i will buy a 5 gallon bucket of that from tractor supply so i have some extra. thanks
 
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Have you found a good spec sheet for fluid change? I've found a couple different generic ones. Im looking to clean and flush the hydraulic system and the engine oil. At the same time, I plan to install a cooler and filter.
I used ISO 46 and 10W-30 in my machine for year-round use, as the temperature never gets really cold or hot here. In that regard, the best choice depends on your local climate; some people use different weights at different times of the year. For the engine, use a lower first (W) number in cold climates, and a larger second number for hot climates. For hydraulic fluid, ISO 32 can used in cold climates, and ISO 68 in hot climates. Lots of other variables, but that's probably the biggest one worth considering.
 
   / Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator #38  
Hi zwelch,

Just wondering how you are getting on with your little digger? I am in the market for one and have never owned a digger before. I am watching the VC13 on a local auction site.

I see you have larger machines, which I assume have pilot controls? I have seen mentioned a lot, that people complain about a sore back etc, being hunched over the non pilot control style. Some also mention the pilot style are smoother. Others mention most of these don't have true pilot control valves.

Have you found this to be an issue?

I'm just a home owner and would be using it for projects around my 5 acre property. I'm 5'7 and 175lbs so won't be too squeezed in there 😁
 
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Hi zwelch,

Just wondering how you are getting on with your little digger? I am in the market for one and have never owned a digger before. I am watching the VC13 on a local auction site.

I see you have larger machines, which I assume have pilot controls? I have seen mentioned a lot, that people complain about a sore back etc, being hunched over the non pilot control style. Some also mention the pilot style are smoother. Others mention most of these don't have true pilot control valves.

Have you found this to be an issue?

I'm just a home owner and would be using it for projects around my 5 acre property. I'm 5'7 and 175lbs so won't be too squeezed in there 😁
The weather has been cold and wet here for weeks, so I have not been able to do much since my last reports. I did finally finish installing the cushion valve for the swing motor, so it's now ready to do some real work (without fear of breaking those components). It's worth noting that working on the VC13 reminds me of older cars; there's lots of space inside that makes everything easy to access. From some videos that I have seen, the machines with pilot control manage to pack things in a bit tighter.

This week finally should be sunny and dry, so I have plans to do a bunch of work with this machine. In the short term, I will be cleaning up the inside of our greenhouse, digging out and leveling a long stretch for building a short retaining wall, and creating some mounded rows for planting berries. I also picked up two new attachments at another auction: a 5' hedge trimmer and a wood splitter. As that suggests, I expect to put a lot of hours on it this year.

My micro-excavator is definitely not smooth. If you are not experienced with operating hydraulic machines, I would be extremely cautious as you learn to use the machine. Always wear your seatbelt, as it can easily throw the operator out of the seat. Even with a decade of experience under my belt, I have found it challenging to gain fine control. It is possible, just challenging. In that regard, I am a little nervous about teaching my wife to use it, but it should be no different than learning to drive a car: you should start off slow and steady, in a flat and open lot, where there's nothing to crash into.... Speed is dangerous until you have developed your muscle memory and a solid understanding of how the machine reacts to different inputs and working conditions. A crowded environment is dangerous until you fully develop your spatial awareness of where the machine is moving through the space.

Incidentally, I made a "fun" discovery with the VC13 while cleaning out our barn: if the machine jerks forward/back suddenly and you happen to let go of the the controls, the tall joysticks on this machine have enough inertia that the motion will cause them to activate in the opposite direction. That causes the machine to rock in that new direction, which in turn causes the controls to activate in the newly opposite direction. Indefinitely. In other words, the machine starts to oscillate back and forth entirely on its own, like a bucking bronco. Mildly entertaining, but definitely not good for the machine or operator. Grabbing the controls and keeping them centered will stop the oscillation, but you need to react fast or could risk getting thrown.

My larger mini-machine does have pilot controls, and it's very smooth. That's largely due to its better (i.e. more complicated and thus expensive) hydraulic systems. I once ran it daily for several weeks without experiencing any meaningful fatigue. By contrast, I have only run my micro machine for a half day in one stretch, but it didn't leave me in any pain. I think it can be relatively comfortable if one maintains good posture and anticipates the forces induced by the machine's movements, just like leaning into the turns when driving a car on a curvy highway. Admittedly, good posture is probably easier to maintain with pilot controls, but those machines tend to be bigger than the VC13. I needed a machine that is small; your needs may vary.
 
   / Vicsec VC13 mini-excavator #40  
The weather has been cold and wet here for weeks, so I have not been able to do much since my last reports. I did finally finish installing the cushion valve for the swing motor, so it's now ready to do some real work (without fear of breaking those components). It's worth noting that working on the VC13 reminds me of older cars; there's lots of space inside that makes everything easy to access. From some videos that I have seen, the machines with pilot control manage to pack things in a bit tighter.

This week finally should be sunny and dry, so I have plans to do a bunch of work with this machine. In the short term, I will be cleaning up the inside of our greenhouse, digging out and leveling a long stretch for building a short retaining wall, and creating some mounded rows for planting berries. I also picked up two new attachments at another auction: a 5' hedge trimmer and a wood splitter. As that suggests, I expect to put a lot of hours on it this year.

My micro-excavator is definitely not smooth. If you are not experienced with operating hydraulic machines, I would be extremely cautious as you learn to use the machine. Always wear your seatbelt, as it can easily throw the operator out of the seat. Even with a decade of experience under my belt, I have found it challenging to gain fine control. It is possible, just challenging. In that regard, I am a little nervous about teaching my wife to use it, but it should be no different than learning to drive a car: you should start off slow and steady, in a flat and open lot, where there's nothing to crash into.... Speed is dangerous until you have developed your muscle memory and a solid understanding of how the machine reacts to different inputs and working conditions. A crowded environment is dangerous until you fully develop your spatial awareness of where the machine is moving through the space.

Incidentally, I made a "fun" discovery with the VC13 while cleaning out our barn: if the machine jerks forward/back suddenly and you happen to let go of the the controls, the tall joysticks on this machine have enough inertia that the motion will cause them to activate in the opposite direction. That causes the machine to rock in that new direction, which in turn causes the controls to activate in the newly opposite direction. Indefinitely. In other words, the machine starts to oscillate back and forth entirely on its own, like a bucking bronco. Mildly entertaining, but definitely not good for the machine or operator. Grabbing the controls and keeping them centered will stop the oscillation, but you need to react fast or could risk getting thrown.

My larger mini-machine does have pilot controls, and it's very smooth. That's largely due to its better (i.e. more complicated and thus expensive) hydraulic systems. I once ran it daily for several weeks without experiencing any meaningful fatigue. By contrast, I have only run my micro machine for a half day in one stretch, but it didn't leave me in any pain. I think it can be relatively comfortable if one maintains good posture and anticipates the forces induced by the machine's movements, just like leaning into the turns when driving a car on a curvy highway. Admittedly, good posture is probably easier to maintain with pilot controls, but those machines tend to be bigger than the VC13. I needed a machine that is small; your needs may vary.
Thanks for the detailed reply.

Well my old Satoh tractor was quite the beast and after a day of using it I felt like it had run me over several times. I now feel like I'm riding around in a limousine on my Kubota L2501. It's hydraulics were jerky as....

Nice analogy but not sure these things get too much speed :ROFLMAO:.

I actually wondered if the forward controls would help with bodily stability, like the "brace position" as your plane is going down...

I have a healthy respect for hydraulics as regularly used hydraulic tools up to 14K psi at work.

I only need a small machine. There is also the VC-15 that's available near me, which is a little larger but I don't think by much. It has the pilot controls but from what I've seen they are not the real deal pilot controls.
 

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