Well, that was weird

   / Well, that was weird #1  

woodlandfarms

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PowerTrac 1850, Kubota RTV x900
Last day on the farm before I head back to the big city. Go down and cut a bunch of alders off the side of one of the hills. Take the tractor, hardly run it up. Head down the hill with the grapple. I see a cable (something we find in a logged area all the time). Stop the tractor. Kill the engine.. Get the cable, get back in the tractor and it turns over, but does not catch. A little puff of smoke, kinda sounds like it might, but it just doesn't.

Now, I am around 25 degrees on the slope (face down). I clean out the fuel filter, do a quick test and it is getting go juice. I pull the wiring plug and blow it out. Still the same,,,, cranks, kinda wants to catch but doesn't. Darn. So I go get the truck. Get down close to it, hook it up. Pump up the brake and try and pull it out. No luck. So I call my neighbor with the cat. Please help. He comes up. We get ready to hook up (it has been over an hour) and I look at my panel. Hmmm. The back light is on. I switch it off and say, what the heck. I turn it over and it starts right up.

Well... I am really stumped. I think that rear light had nothing to do with anything. I checked my oil on the flats and I am half a mark down (half a quart?). One thing I did notice was that the engine temp guage was quite high (above 220). Now, I know for sure I am running quite cool. I watch it like a hawk (this 220 was measured when I put the engine switch to the on position). I am wondering / thinking, that maybe I stopped at that perfect angle that either A - made it so no oil was going past the temp sensor so it was reading a hot block temperature and not a cooler oil temp, or that B - I had the engine in a weird way that it could not pull any oil or was registering empty...

Anyone want to weigh in on this. It runs fine now, just has me nervous about going back out on the slopes...

Also, how do you pull a 1850? This whole brake thing did not seem to work the way I wanted it to, Or am I missing a step or 2?

Carl
 
   / Well, that was weird #2  
To tow you must do two things:
a. release brakes; and
b. open tow valve that is located on the variable displacement pump.

The starting problem sounds like a fuel supply problem--because the engine turned over. Was the fuel supply low? The fact that it later started suggests that perhaps a mild obstruction in the fuel supply line that was reducing the supply of fuel because you were facing downhill on a steep slope.

The other alternative I can think of is that the fuel supply solenoid was not opening properly and that it did open after the engine cooled a bit.
 
   / Well, that was weird #3  
I'd also want to check the battery if it was turning over slowly.

But I would bet that Bob is right. It is probably in the fuel supply. If you get a moment, you might want to check the fuel pressure, and the injector pressure.(Does your buddy with the Cat have a injector pressure tester?)

The fact that the engine registered hot on standing is pretty typical for many engines. Not all of the heat is equalized prior to shutdown, and if you start up soon after, your coolant, akak your oil, can momentarily spike in temperature as it pulls off some of that stored heat. Since I haven't heard of Deutz engines failing due to clogged oil passages, I wouldn't worry about it.

Come to think of it, I don't think I have heard of an Deutz failing... :) (Now here come the stories...)

All the best,

Peter

Bob999 said:
To tow you must do two things:
a. release brakes; and
b. open tow valve that is located on the variable displacement pump.

The starting problem sounds like a fuel supply problem--because the engine turned over. Was the fuel supply low? The fact that it later started suggests that perhaps a mild obstruction in the fuel supply line that was reducing the supply of fuel because you were facing downhill on a steep slope.

The other alternative I can think of is that the fuel supply solenoid was not opening properly and that it did open after the engine cooled a bit.
 

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