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   / What is this #31  
Bob999 said:
The parent of Power Trac started out making mining equipment. My understanding is that the brake tender system is a safety system required to meet mining machine saftey regulations.


It is a carry over from the mining section. It appears to be a good system. They knew this technology long ago, why isn't it on all PT's? The braking system on my 1445 was totally left off. All I have is the parking brake, darn the luck.
 
   / What is this #32  
J_J said:
It is a carry over from the mining section. It appears to be a good system. They knew this technology long ago, why isn't it on all PT's? The braking system on my 1445 was totally left off. All I have is the parking brake, darn the luck.

I suspect cost and the price customers are willing to pay is a major factor in such decisions. If you look at the price of a slope mower --the 1845 for example, ($24,000) compared to the 1445 ($20,000) you can see what the difference in price is for thee items--the brake tender system, a tilting seat, and dual wheels. Of course the 1445 lifts more so the price of the three items is really more than $4000.
 
   / What is this #33  
J_J said:
It is a carry over from the mining section. It appears to be a good system. They knew this technology long ago, why isn't it on all PT's? The braking system on my 1445 was totally left off. All I have is the parking brake, darn the luck.

I'm in the same boat with my 1430. As a matter of fact the parking break is only operating on one side right now. I guess we will have to carry a chain and anchor to through out in an emergency JJ. Or maybe like on those carts we used to build as kids. A big handle to pull that rubs on the tire.lol.
 
   / What is this #34  
RegL said:
I'm in the same boat with my 1430. As a matter of fact the parking break is only operating on one side right now. I guess we will have to carry a chain and anchor to through out in an emergency JJ. Or maybe like on those carts we used to build as kids. A big handle to pull that rubs on the tire.lol.

All humor aside, maybe we should think about how you could add a brake to the PT. Something like you suggested above might be a start. Or maybe something to grab the slotted disc, but not in a "Lock it Now" mode.
 
   / What is this #35  
BobRip said:
All humor aside, maybe we should think about how you could add a brake to the PT. Something like you suggested above might be a start. Or maybe something to grab the slotted disc, but not in a "Lock it Now" mode.


What would happen if you stopped all fluid flow to the hydraulic motors? You would have a brake system, right.

How about something like this installed in the forward and reverse lines to the wheel motors. They will pass up to 40 gpm's when a pilot pressure of 100 psi is applied. If you lost all hydraulic pressure, the system comes to a stop. If you take your foot off the treadle, the wheel motors stop.

This unit is called a pilot operated flow control valve. Static state is normally closed.

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   / What is this #36  
The very fact that PTs pretty much come to a stop when the treadle is in "neutral" atests to the point you make JJ.

One reason this does not constitute a real "emergency brake" however is it depends on everything upstream to remain intact and for there to be practically no internal leakage within the wheel motors. The valve you mention would address the issue of a hose or componant upstream from the valve failing, but there is more internal leakage in hyd motors, especially after much usage, than you might think. You would still slow down to 1/2 or 1 MPH, but it would not stop or hold you on a slope.

User solutions?

One would be to replace the OEM wheel motors with models that have internal wet-disc brakes. Most likely no hyd changes would be needed, but the motors will be longer and thus may need to be spaced out from the tractor body. This may be more of an issue in the rear tub than up front, however. This would give more stability at the expense of greater overall width, but no additional strain on wheel bearings as the off-set would be the same. Could just do one set if motors were otherwise identical.

Another possible solution would be to add one or two pairs of external brake discs and "spring apply/pressure release" calipers like the 18** series use and set up like the other wet-disc machines but without the hand pump. Even if done only to one end, such as the rear, you would have a fail-safe emergency & parking brake that could be used while in motion.

None of these options are inexpensive, but are certainly feasable. If PT at least offered such as a factory option, would be much more reasonable cost.

Just my $.02

BTW, JJ, I have a couple extra brake parts from when I changed out my wheel motors that "may" fit or be adaptable to your older 1445 if interested.
 
   / What is this #37  
RegL said:
I'm in the same boat with my 1430. As a matter of fact the parking break is only operating on one side right now. I guess we will have to carry a chain and anchor to through out in an emergency JJ. Or maybe like on those carts we used to build as kids. A big handle to pull that rubs on the tire.lol.
When I first got my 425, or at least not long after, I got my pt on a small slope not real steep. While on the slope the pt would coast down so I put both feet on the front wheels to see if I could stop it from coasting. I could slow the coasting down almost to a complete stop. I had in mind the scrubber brakes at that time but never did anything to see if it would really work or not. My land is not that steep so it wasn't a priority. The scrubber or rub brakes would probably be hard on the tires. If you could fix a round drum that would fasten on the the rim and stick out far enough that you could put some kind of caliper on it you might be able to fix a braking system like that, just something that I have been kicking around in my head for quiet a long time now. One of these days someone is going to do it, but these days seems like I just barely get done the things that I have to [haven't been feeling well lately].
 
   / What is this #38  
Sorry to hear you are not feeling chipper Toy.....hope the Doc or someone figures it out and you get back up to speed real soon. Could be those mid-winter blues.....maybe some sunlight....artificial or genuine.

In the mean time, don't let your 425 run you over!

Good Luck !!
 
   / What is this #39  
Rip,


Please send me a PM or email about the brakes that you have. With pictures if you have them. I had thought about the disk brakes like on go-carts.

The slotted disk that I now have on the 1445 could be replaced with a solid disk, and a hydraulic or electric caliper
 

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