What Kind of Plow?

   / What Kind of Plow? #11  
40 HP! For 2 acres? Start looking for a 3 bottom, 3 pt hitch mounted plow. That'll make short work of those 2 acres at a time and still be small enough to store in a corner of the tool shed for most of the year.

The manual for our old JD Model 70 diesel claimed to be able to pull "4 or 5 14 inch plows". I didn't believe it for a minute ( the 5 x 14 part) but we kept our eye out for a semi-mounted 4 x 14 to try out.
Never did get one.
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #12  
Acording to this site, JD Model 70 the Model 70 diesel put about 45 HP to the drawbar, which makes it a bit more tractor than yours, and likely significantly more weight. So I'd suggest sticking to a 3 x 14 or even smaller depending on what you can find.
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #13  
A little bit off topic. but wondering what organic fertilizers are you using? Anyone is using feather meal?
 
   / What Kind of Plow?
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Up till now, my wife's just grown vegetables in the city. She had about 600 square feet of rich, no-till soil.

She tells me she used Garden Tone in the spring, plus some epson salts. Garden Tone is a mixture of cottonseed meal (for nitrogen), powdered rock phosphate (for phosphorus) and greensand (for potassium). Soil tests indicated a need to supplement magnesium, so that is why she added the epson salts.

Interestingly enough, soil tests did not recommend lime. EVERY grower in west Tennessee needs to lime their soil, all except for my wife's city plot.

Out here on our new farm, she tells me that she will grow "green manure," tha t is, a specially prescribed blend of clover and grasses (as recommended by the local agricultural extension service based on soil tests). Eventually she'll turn that growth back into the soil so it can compost.

She's also been composting kitchen vegetable waste, tree leaves, grass clippings and has plans to go scoop up the neighbor's horse manure.

She is not sure if it is practical to think of using something like Garden Tone on 2 acre plots, however, she says she will side dress some of the heavy feeding plants (e.g., tomatoes and corn) with Garden Tone when the plants are four to six weeks old.


In the spring back when growing in the city, she would use a product that they call "soil conditioner," which is finely shredded tree bark, to mulch her plants. She bought it at Home Depot.

In the autumn, she'd fork the mulch into the soil before she was finished preparing the garden bed for winter. Then she'd add some straight cottonseed meal into the soil with it, to provide a source of nitrogen. The mulch coupled with the cottonseed meal would compost over the winter, and in the spring, she'd plant again, using Garden Tone as fertilizer.

She's not sure that she will be able to do that out here though, because of the cost of buying mulch enough for two acres.
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #15  
There is no way his tractor will handle a 3-14 in clay. It does not have the weight or power to handle the 3 bottoms. In clay you want at least 20 hp per bottom of plow. The old rule was 15-20 hp per bottom depending on soil. Most of the tractor plow ratings were set using sandy ground which plows easy. My TN 65 uses a 3-16 and it struggles from time to time if I hit a real hard spot. For his TC 40 he should get a 2 bottom plow for his soil. Used plows go for around $150 a bottom.

As for a disc plow. There use to be an actual disc plow that was 3 point mounted and configured so the disc stagger back and they would turn the ground over similar to a mould board plow. They required a little less hp to run (if I remember right) as the disc would roll thru the ground turning it over with less resistance then a moldboard. The off-set disc is a extremly heavy and aggressive disc used to break up hard pan for scrapers and such. It was also used as a tillage tool to break up the ground but it is not an ideal tool for your job. Get a 2 bottom plow and throw her in the ground but don't waste your money on a 3 bottom as your tractor will not be able to handle it well.
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #16  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There is no way his tractor will handle a 3-14 in clay. It does not have the weight or power to handle the 3 bottoms. In clay you want at least 20 hp per bottom of plow. The old rule was 15-20 hp per bottom depending on soil. Most of the tractor plow ratings were set using sandy ground which plows easy. My TN 65 uses a 3-16 and it struggles from time to time if I hit a real hard spot. For his TC 40 he should get a 2 bottom plow for his soil. Used plows go for around $150 a bottom.)</font>

An excellant example of why one shouldn't take one persons posting as gospel -- I didn't take the weight of the tractor into consideration. The JD 70 weighs in at just over 6000 lbs, making it nearly 2x the weight as the TC40 which willl give the old JD much more pulling power. So while the JD 70 pulled a 3 -16 just fine through a clay loam, I shouldn't have expected a lighter tractor to do the same. I'm still trying to get used to the differences of a "compact" tractor.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As for a disc plow. There use to be an actual disc plow that was 3 point mounted and configured so the disc stagger back and they would turn the ground over similar to a mould board plow. They required a little less hp to run (if I remember right) as the disc would roll thru the ground turning it over with less resistance then a moldboard. The off-set disc is a extremly heavy and aggressive disc used to break up hard pan for scrapers and such. It was also used as a tillage tool to break up the ground but it is not an ideal tool for your job. Get a 2 bottom plow and throw her in the ground but don't waste your money on a 3 bottom as your tractor will not be able to handle it well. )</font>

The offset disk as you describe it is used that way in constructon, but in the eastern corn belt back in the 70's, it was promoted as a tillage device. As I recall (and it's been a while) the main selling points were speed (you could cover more ground in the same time as with a mould board, assuming you had abig enough tractor) and erosion control -- they left some corn stalk trash on the surface. I also remember it tilling down to about 4 inches, not exactly hard pan depths.

I'd like to hear more about this "disk plow" if you have more details.
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #17  
40 horsepower 3-14's
 

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   / What Kind of Plow? #18  
Just as a benchmark for you. I pull an old 2-bottom Fergusen mouldboard plow with a JD4300 (32 HP total and about 28HP at the PTO). I also have the industrial tires and 4WD..but no ballast. I pull through pretty good topsoil and really no clay at all. I have about 4-5 acres available to garden and use about 2-3 of it yearly. I then use a "home-made disc" after plowing.

I have NO problem pulling because of the horsepower. I do need to be in 4WD because the biggest problem is tire slip with the industrial tires. I have gone to leaving the front loader on just to give me a bit more weight. The process does work better if you keep your speed up a bit (NOT crawling along) because the soil "rolls" off and over from the mouldboard better. But be careful with these CUTs when driving with one wheel low in the last plow cut--you are leaning at a fair angle so be careful-wear seatbelt-and keep your ROPS up and locked.

I am NOT experienced plowing in many different soils but I imagine your tractor will pull a 2 or likely a 3 bottom plow reasonably well in some clay. The first year my be rough--but add manure/sand/etc to slowly improve your soil and it should get easier each year.

Another option is a rear tiller. It will do an incredible job on the soil. BUT BUT BUT...you will have to do it all at a snails pace. If you only actually till 2acres annually it still may be a good option. You would need only a tiller--not a plow and disc. Just another option... a slow one though. I used a 66" Befco to till quite a large portion of my yard before I planted grass (total of about 4 acres mowed turf). I spread manure and some sand in places and it (the tiller) mixed better than a Waring blender while leaving a plantable surface.

OK, OK 'll shut up now....just rambling again while trying to help. By the way congratulations on the tractor!

Peter
 
   / What Kind of Plow? #19  
Hi, I have not found the older ones yet but Tufline makes a new one which requires as much power as a moldboard. The disc are set a little more aggressive then the ones I seen from the 60's. I will keep looking to see if I can find one. Here is the Tufline
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Tuflines site
 
 

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