Which Cab tractor?

[Wannafish]

I'm getting ready to buy a tractor in the 60-70 h.p. range with loader, cab, and 4WD. I intend to use it for baling rounds on 300+ acres this year, with more acerage to be leased in the coming years, as well as snow removal in the winter.
I have a JD 4020 (96hp) that runs good and would be a good back up tractor (heaven forbid /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif), but would need a loader (at a minimum) to load and stack the rounds. Besides, I don't like the thought of round baling without a cab if I can help it.

I have narrowed it down to:

New Holland TN75 $ 38,500
Kubota M6800 $ 38,700
Kioti 65 DK $ 29,500

I realize the TN75 is larger, but PTO hp is only 62.

I am trying to justify $9000 more for the better known brand names, but could use the knowledge of the great group of people here for additional input.

I realize the Kioti name isn't as well known as the others but I haven't been able to find many negatives on this site or others about them. If all things are about equal I am leaning towards the Kioti.

Opinions anyone? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[ZJ_HR]

Look at Agco GT series, built by SAME. It has good, quiet, flat floor cab with AC. I have one Same tractor, and I'm pretty satisfied. I don't know prices there, but must be cheaper than NH, and more than Kioti.
AGCO GT

Hope this helps,
ZJ

 

[depratt_equip]

I think you will be very happy with the Kioti if you plan to go that route. I have many customers who have the DK65 and do exactly what you plan on doing. They have all been very happy. The DK65 has a very nice and roomy cab and when you put the spec and features up to some of the other big names they are very impressive. The perkins engine in the DK65 is also very powerful and acutally puts out more engine and PTO HP than listed. Does that price listed included the QA bucket and bale spear? What kind of tires are you getting? All my customers have went with the Ind R-4 Tires and been very pleased. I think you will be very happy with the DK65 if you go that way.

 

[yooperdave]

You can get a 72 hp ZETOR with cab, 4wd & loader for around $30,500. The cab is supposed to be very good.

Maybe Chipperman might chime in and give you more of the specifics.

Good Luck

Yooper Dave

 

[Wannafish]

Are the Industrial tires aggresive enough in the fields?
I would think for my use the Ag's would be better. I don't know what the difference would be while going down the road from site to site. Are the Industrials a smoother ride? Are they a harder compound so they last longer?

 

[Woodbeef]

I'd add the Valtra A series to your list along with the new MF 400 series with the factory cab.

 

[Chillimau]

Based on what others have said you may be a little short in the hp dept. The Kioti is 55 pto hp. The Kubota 62 pto hp. Depends on how hilly the terrain is. I would say 62-65 pto hp would be the bare minimum in hp. and you would probably really want 75 hp pto or more.

What about the 5420 or 5520 Deeres? I think they would be in the same price as the NH.

 

[RichZ]

I don't know anything about the Kioti, but I've heard that they're lighter than many other tractors, though I don't know if that's true. If that's the case, I would be concerned about that, because in haying, weight is just as important as horsepower. You don't want to be operating a baler with a tractor that's too light.

Hope that helps.

 

[depratt_equip]

My customers have found they have been aggressive enough for them. The are a much smoother ride on the roads and they are a more ply tire. They have worked really well in this area (kansas so its pretty flat)

Even though the Kioti is listed @ 55HP in the specs it is really more than that. From talking to people who have put them on a dyno they are running more around 60 PTO HP. Perkins always tends to under rate their engine in the spec sheets. Kioti has upgraded the clutch in the DK65's since they came out in 2001. The DK65 now uses an 80HP clutch. Upgrade in the clutch was made mid 2002. So all new Dk65's have the bigger clutch.

 

[depratt_equip]

The DK65 weighs in at 6482lbs. with the cab. Loader will add about another 1000lbs to the weight. Kioti is not a light tractor by any means. The weight in DK65 tractor mainly comes from thicker castings, which not only makes for a heavier but also a stronger tractor. If you compare that weight to the NH & Kubota you will see Kioti is not a light tractor.

NH TN75 weighs in @: 6602lbs. (no loader) Specs on NH Website are hard to read, correct if wrong on this. This is model TN75A
Kubota weighs in @: 6175lbs (no loader)