Which type of Flail Mower to choose

   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #1  

okanoganjim

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I have decided I want a Flail Mower to use behind my Kubota L5460. I am looking at both the Side Shift and the Ditch Bank Mower types. The property I am maintaining is 7 acres of 90% flat open ground but there are some areas where I have a ditch and bank situation that tend to get overgrown. This is where the ditch/bank mower would shine, and the side shift to a lesser extent. I am concerned that the ditch/bank mower with its complex Arms etc would be less than optimal to use on the flat open areas, making me regret my decision to go that route. Can anyone comment on their experience with these type mowers on open ground?

Thank you
Jim
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #2  
I have a Peruzzo Fox Cross 1600 ditch and bank mower, which does a great job on ditches and banks, as expected. But I also use it as a field mower and it works fine. I generally use if full offset because I only mow twice a year, so what I'm mowing is 18 to 20 inches high, and it lays down when the tires run over it and doesn't get mowed there, then pops up in a day or two. Using the mower fully offset mostly solves that.

The only issue I can see when using if for general mowing is that the arms are somewhat fragile, so backing up into a tree or the like will easily cause damage (don't ask how I know that).
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #3  
I have decided I want a Flail Mower to use behind my Kubota L5460. I am looking at both the Side Shift and the Ditch Bank Mower types. The property I am maintaining is 7 acres of 90% flat open ground but there are some areas where I have a ditch and bank situation that tend to get overgrown. This is where the ditch/bank mower would shine, and the side shift to a lesser extent. I am concerned that the ditch/bank mower with its complex Arms etc would be less than optimal to use on the flat open areas, making me regret my decision to go that route. Can anyone comment on their experience with these type mowers on open ground?

Thank you
Jim
Here are some issues you need to think about.
1. Is the tractor pto powerful enough to run the mower?

2. How much offset capacity you need? It depend on the shape of the ditch bank, and is the soil near the bank too soft? For safety, you should keep your tractor wheel a safe distance away from the ditch bank, avoid the tractor fall over.

3. When the ditch mower swing to side at its longest distance, it's at the biggest gravity force position, so you also need to check if your tractor weight can balance the ditch mower at this position.

In theory, ditch mower has same performance as regular flail mower on open ground, it's just a flail mower with long arm.

Here are some areas on ditch mower which can have problem different from the regular flail mower.
1. Its pivot(the connection point between arm and mower housing), if the manufacturer doesn't make it well, or sometimes the user doesn't notice the tree or stump and let the mower hit it, the pivot may crack. I even had one special case, one customer drived his tractor and ditch mower back to the garage, but the garage door height is too low, the ditch mower is at vertical position when transport, then the mower edge hit the garage door and cracked the pivot. So, after sale service is also important, if the seller can supply all kinds spare parts and technical support.

2. The 3 point hitch tube, when the ditch mower is at its longest offset postion, then this will create the biggest force on the 3 point hitch. I was in this trouble in the very beginning, tried some different solution on the 3 point hitch tube size/quality and reinforcement, after then this problem was solved. I see some sellers followed my design, that's good.

3. The hose, ditch mower has long hose, watch out the hoses, don't let them lay down too low, otherwise they will be caught by branch or something else. In case the hose is caught by branch and suddenly cracked, the cylinder inside will lose its pressure at once, if this happen on the tilt cylinder and there is no safety valve, then the mower body can suddently fall down heavily. So it's important for ditch mower that it has to have safety valve on tilt cylinder. Unfortunately, even now, I still can see some seller is selling the ditch mower without safety valve on tilt cylinder. Besides the safety valve on tilting cylinder, there should be a hydrailc oil flow speed valve on the tilting cylinder, it's used to control the tilting movement speed, different tractor has different oil pump and flow speed, so you can use this speed valve on ditch mower to control its tilting movement speed, you won't like it fall down too fast.

One more thing, the ditch flail mower has two cylinders, one for offset movement and one for tilting movement, so it requires the tractor has two rear sloop hydraulics. I had some customers only has one sloop rear hydraulics, then I recommend him to purchase "Electric Rear Remote Valve Kit" on Amazon. Even some tractor has no rear hydraulics at all, then he can use the hydraulics from his front end loader, just need an extended hoses.
 

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   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #4  
These ditchbank mowers go back to the day when Hardee and Bush Hog hung 5' rotary cutters on a big slide mechanism with a hydraulic oil tank and a weight as offset ballast. They are awkward, heavy and dangerous. They will put your butt in the bottom of a ditch before you know what's happening. Unless you really need one and you have a tractor that's large enough to run it safely I would stick with the slide version. That's what I have.
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose
  • Thread Starter
#5  
Here are some issues you need to think about.
1. Is the tractor pto powerful enough to run the mower?

2. How much offset capacity you need? It depend on the shape of the ditch bank, and is the soil near the bank too soft? For safety, you should keep your tractor wheel a safe distance away from the ditch bank, avoid the tractor fall over.

3. When the ditch mower swing to side at its longest distance, it's at the biggest gravity force position, so you also need to check if your tractor weight can balance the ditch mower at this position.

In theory, ditch mower has same performance as regular flail mower on open ground, it's just a flail mower with long arm.

Here are some areas on ditch mower which can have problem different from the regular flail mower.
1. Its pivot(the connection point between arm and mower housing), if the manufacturer doesn't make it well, or sometimes the user doesn't notice the tree or stump and let the mower hit it, the pivot may crack. I even had one special case, one customer drived his tractor and ditch mower back to the garage, but the garage door height is too low, the ditch mower is at vertical position when transport, then the mower edge hit the garage door and cracked the pivot. So, after sale service is also important, if the seller can supply all kinds spare parts and technical support.

2. The 3 point hitch tube, when the ditch mower is at its longest offset postion, then this will create the biggest force on the 3 point hitch. I was in this trouble in the very beginning, tried some different solution on the 3 point hitch tube size/quality and reinforcement, after then this problem was solved. I see some sellers followed my design, that's good.

3. The hose, ditch mower has long hose, watch out the hoses, don't let them lay down too low, otherwise they will be caught by branch or something else. In case the hose is caught by branch and suddenly cracked, the cylinder inside will lose its pressure at once, if this happen on the tilt cylinder and there is no safety valve, then the mower body can suddently fall down heavily. So it's important for ditch mower that it has to have safety valve on tilt cylinder. Unfortunately, even now, I still can see some seller is selling the ditch mower without safety valve on tilt cylinder. Besides the safety valve on tilting cylinder, there should be a hydrailc oil flow speed valve on the tilting cylinder, it's used to control the tilting movement speed, different tractor has different oil pump and flow speed, so you can use this speed valve on ditch mower to control its tilting movement speed, you won't like it fall down too fast.

One more thing, the ditch flail mower has two cylinders, one for offset movement and one for tilting movement, so it requires the tractor has two rear sloop hydraulics. I had some customers only has one sloop rear hydraulics, then I recommend him to purchase "Electric Rear Remote Valve Kit" on Amazon. Even some tractor has no rear hydraulics at all, then he can use the hydraulics from his front end loader, just need an extended hoses.
Jack, I am reading you are in the attachment business? If so which brands do you represent? I would like to shop.

thank you
Jim
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #7  
I have a Peruzzo Fox Cross 1600 ditch and bank mower, which does a great job on ditches and banks, as expected. But I also use it as a field mower and it works fine. I generally use if full offset because I only mow twice a year, so what I'm mowing is 18 to 20 inches high, and it lays down when the tires run over it and doesn't get mowed there, then pops up in a day or two. Using the mower fully offset mostly solves that.

The only issue I can see when using if for general mowing is that the arms are somewhat fragile, so backing up into a tree or the like will easily cause damage (don't ask how I know that).
Noticed your post and have an operating question. I have the 1800 Elk and it mows great. When I mow a field I notice it wants to creep back and out versus staying close to tractor. I have been mowing with it fully extended. Do you think always running extended is an issue? I worry about the arms also.
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #8  
I see no issue with running it fully extended, as long as you don't hit anything with it. I got into a bunch of trees, and backed up without watching closely enough so the mower hit a tree.

The result is that head now sits at a perceptible angle to the tractor. It's not clear just what is bent, maybe several places. It's not enough to cause an issue, but it would have been easy to keep going and do real damage.
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #9  
I see no issue with running it fully extended, as long as you don't hit anything with it. I got into a bunch of trees, and backed up without watching closely enough so the mower hit a tree.

The result is that head now sits at a perceptible angle to the tractor. It's not clear just what is bent, maybe several places. It's not enough to cause an issue, but it would have been easy to keep going and do real damage.
Thanks, does yours creep back while running behind?
 
   / Which type of Flail Mower to choose #10  
Thanks, does yours creep back while running behind?

Mine will creep back for sure. That is from the internal leak of the remote valve. My valve leaks by more in one direction than the other.

If I wanted to mow with the flail tucked in I can swap the hoses on my remote and it will stay put but creep in when I have it fully extended. I mow most of the time with full extended so I have hoses hooked up to hold extended and deal with the creep back when it is tucked in behind the tractor.

Try swapping the hoses on the remote and see what happens. Just remember the valve will work opposite of the way it does now but it might help slow down the creep.
 
 

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