Why a new compact ??????

Woodbucher · Jan 1, 2004

I have been shopping for a tractor that can finish mow do some loader work and gerneral purpose duty (load and pull manure spreader) I already own a allis D17 IV for the hard work and would like to add to the toy collection. I have been looking at the Deere 4410,Case Dx33,New Holland TC30 HST and a "RESTORED" Massey-Ferguson 135 all have front loaders and 3pt finish mowers and a cat I hitch. The new tractors are $17,000 to $22,000 and the M-F is $8500? The "OLD" tractor is the tractor that seems to have the edge for build quality. The new are lighter. Any response is helpful.
THANX Todd /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Bob_Skurka · Jan 1, 2004

Todd,
I would generally say that the new tractors will be much more nimble with a tighter turning radius than most of the older tractors of similar hp. I can't really speak to the MF 135 because I've never played with one, I know what they look like but nothing more. So it is possible that it turns on a dime, but I suspect the opposite is true. For loader work a new tractor with 4x4 traction, power steering, a tight turning radius and HST is a wonderful thing.

Just my opinion.

JDgreen227 · Jan 1, 2004

How many hours a year will you be using it? If the older tractor has had a lot of mechanical restoring done, not just cosmetic, and you will not put over 100-150 hours a year of use on it, that would be my choice. Once purchased, it's unlikely to depreciate as fast as a new tractor will. You are correct about the build quality of the older models, and when they do need repairs the capable owner can often fix the problem himself, which is untrue of some of the electronic and computerized new models.

If you will be using it for more hours or doing extensive loader work, I would spend the money for a new model. Does the Massey have power steering? Is there a repair shop or dealership nearby where you can get parts and service?

One of the best features of a new compact tractor is they are fitted with ROPS, seat belts, safety switches and the other assorted items that make their use safer. They have better and brighter lighting and easier starting, plus parts and service for most makes is easier to locate.

Other factors would be does the Massey have the type of tires you prefer for your use, and is it gas or diesel....you would likely want your choice to use the same fuel as your Allis.

Hopefully this post will give you some ideas. Good Luck.

jinman · Jan 1, 2004

Todd, the Massey-Ferguson 135 is a 30-yr old tractor, even if it is a 1974 Model (the last year of manuf. I think). The Perkins Diesel is the only "plus" I see to this tractor. The original cost of the MF-135 new was under $6,000. Even "restored" do you want to pay that much for a MF-135? In my opinion, the base MF-135 tractor would be a good buy for $4,500 to $5,000, but not $8,500.

Secondly, the tractor is not 4wd. All the other tractors you mentioned are new, 4wd, HST, and a dream to drive and operate. True, their weight and horsepower are less than the Massey, but being 4wd will more than make up for those features in my opinion. I don't know that much about the John Deere compacts, but I think the TC30 with loader and HST would be a good fit for you because it's more of a "traditional" tractor without a lot of bells and whistles in the operator's platform.

With any new tractor you'll also get a full warranty. What kind of warranty will you get with the MF? Will you finance it, and what kind of interest rate will you get? There are so many things to consider, but I think all the positives are on the side of buying new. I just would not want to spend that much money on a 30+ yr-old tractor. Good luck in your decision. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Theowegian · Jan 1, 2004

Howdy.
Welcome to TBN.
You have a good question.
I also have an Allis D14 and use it alot for everything on my 7.5 acres. The reason Im going to purchase a compact utility tractor is:
1-safety features, ROP, seat switches, lights
2-want to do front end loader work
3-want 4 wheel drive
4-want better hydraulics and 3 pt hitch systems
5-want a Hydrostatic transmission
6-I want to have my family drive the compact and mow with it
7-want power steering
8-Im tired of running down parts for my D14. Literally, I spend more time working on this tractor than I do using it.
9-want modern ergonomics
10-want a diesel engine, instead of a gas engine, (torque, power, etc)
There are more reasons for me but those are the "biggies:.
Good luck and tell us what you decide.
dwight

Woodbucher · Jan 1, 2004

WOW THANX FOR THE FAST RESPONSE GUYS!!!!!!!
The M-F has a Perkin diesel,power steering , Koyker 210 loader and Ag tires that are not loaded. I would not have to take out a loan on the older tractor. Recently we have access to horse manure so I am looking at pto 85 bu spreaders and loader for the D17 Allis. The local dealer in used tractors has the M-F 135 on his lot when I went in for a loader price this is the same dealer I have been dealing with all along (All the dealers are with in a 20 mile radius and great to deal with). I currently put 40hrs a year on a JD 425 mowing the lawn, if I buy a new tractor it would replace the lawn mower.

art · Jan 1, 2004

Good thoughts boys, I like the 30 horse four wheel drive with loader for a fit here. I would look for a small chassis because of the mowing detail.

yellowsocks93 · Jan 1, 2004

The Massey is a good machine and I have driven ours(gas model) a few times but when compared to my JD 990 there is no comparason. The compact will not get stuck, has more power, tighter turning radius and I don't see any advantages to getting the Massey over the compact besides price. The new compacts will handle the loader a lot better too. If you were just mowing or pulling a hay wagon the Massey would be fine but I think you are going to be happier with a new comapct.

Atch4115 · Jan 1, 2004

Just another thought. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gifSome peoples idea of "restored"is fresh paint and a can of STP.

Soundguy · Jan 2, 2004

Just compairing the wheelbase of a MF 135 to my 8n or NAA.. I'm guessing about a 10' turn radious using brakes.

That said... the unit you buy should match the work. If it is occasional work... that lets you move into the used domestic and foriegn 9 grey ) market tractors.. and even the new imports.. like chineese. Interestingly enough... you can buy a new 20hp 4wd chineese tractor, with loader.. for the price of a 50's era ford with a power up/gravity down trip loader.. say a 600 or 8xx series.. or even aminty 8n or NAA... go figure.

just depends on what you want.

I like my antiques.. and I like tinkering with them.. I also like my 'new' NH diesel too...

Soundguy