Will this work for a haywagon??

[Laminarman]

I'm interested in making a "haywagon" for general use as well as fun little hayrides for the family and kids. Do you think this wagon axle/frame will work as my base to build one? Any input appreciated.

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&productId=486971&categoryId=119

In case the link doesn't work, it's www.northerntools.com and item #143312.

 

[tough451]

How big of a hay wagon do you want. I just saw to nice ones go at an auction for about 265.00 a peice and my great uncle used to pull these with a 8n Ford and that was with 120 too 175 bales of hay on them. So give us a little more info as 4000lb capaicty is not alot even for a hayride.

 

[Laminarman]

Sorry about that. I didn't want to be wordy, but you're correct. I have a 40hp NH TC40DA with drawbar. I'll be going over some sloping terrain, but nothing crazy, and for chores I don't even have hay or need it, but will use it more for hauling some wood, saplings, brush...etc. I use my bucket to carry stone. Mostly it's for medium duty stuff and taking kids on rides, perhaps cutting a few Christmas trees off the property so the folks and kids don't have to walk so far. At most I'll put six to eight people at a time in it, seated down low of course, with high sides...etc. Any help again is appreciated. I cannot find a wagon at local auctions. The only one's I've found are converted manure wagons and they want over $500 and need axle/wheel repairs (but I do like the big wheels they have).

 

[RobS]

I've seen the same thing and yes, it should make a dandy wagon for your needs. I'm hoping to do the exact same thing. Sure wish I could find one of those $2-300 wagons sitting around. I stopped at a used implement dealer the other day and the one wagon (with bed) they had was priced at $800. That's used!!! If you do this, let us know how it works out for you /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[rozett]

Laminarman, Yes, you can easily make a hay wagon using that running gear. I bought the 2200 pound version and built a hay wagon for it. Haywagon
There is one downside to using that running gear. It has steerable front wheels with a fixed axle. To use as a haywagon, you would be better off with running gear where the front axle pivots for steering. The fixed axle increases the turning radius and makes it much more difficult to back the trailer up. But I built my haywagon for about $300 total.

 

[Laminarman]

Thanks Rozette. I saw the other thread after posting mine. Are there any front axle steering units around? I think this might be a winter project. Thanks again.

 

[beenthere]

When you have a turning axle, you can tip the load over rather easy compared to the straight axle with the wheels steering at the ends of the axle. Never heard or had a problem backing up either of them.
But I have had problems tipping a load. I thought turning front axles went out with the dinosaurs. But I could be real wrong on that. I remember our little red wagon had a turning axle like that.
What do others think?

 

[ZJ_HR]

<font color="blue"> I thought turning front axles went out with the dinosaurs </font>

Here I haven't ever seen steered front axle on ANY trailor. All front axles are turning type, and I'm not sure that anybody will want steered type one, as they don't allow you to turn sharp.
Unfortunatelly, it is true that you can tip the load over rather easy compared to the straight axle with the wheels steering at the ends of the axle, but that happend rather rare /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Laminarman]

Obviously my priority is on NOT tipping over my family. So it looks like a fixed front axle is better. Further thoughts on this are certainly appreciated.

 

[rdln]

The picture on that site is the same as the 2200lb version and says the shipping weight is 71lbs?????? and the 2200# rated wagon is 123lbs????. If you wanted something that could also be towed with garden tractor you could go that route. Otherwise the used running gear is out there, it will be rusty and tires wont be new but can be found (near me for sure)between $250 and $400. I think the bigger tires 30" compared to 20" are a big improvement with comfort, rolling resistance, ground clearance etc..

 

[MikeIA]

Here is at least a better price:

https://www.farmtekcatalog.com/lg_display.cfm?page_number=267

or for the 2200lb version:
http://www.homier.com/itemdetail.asp?i=03918&browse=no

 

[wejones]

Laminarman, Have you given any thought to gettin a hydraulic dump trailer? Although more expensive, they are easier to steer and backup, In addition to hay, they are great for hauling grevel and firewood. willie jones

 

[DaveNay]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Laminarman, Have you given any thought to gettin a hydraulic dump trailer? Although more expensive, they are easier to steer and backup, In addition to hay, they are great for hauling grevel and firewood. willie jones )</font>

Plus....when the kids get a little too rowdy, you can just pull the lever, and dump 'em off the back! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Just kidding of course. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave

 

[rambler]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> I thought turning front axles went out with the dinosaurs </font>

Here I haven't ever seen steered front axle on ANY trailor. All front axles are turning type, and I'm not sure that anybody will want steered type one, as they don't allow you to turn sharp.
Unfortunatelly, it is true that you can tip the load over rather easy compared to the straight axle with the wheels steering at the ends of the axle, but that happend rather rare /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )</font>

The only thing that uses pivot front axles here in the midwest USA is Anyhdrous Amonia (NH3 - nitrogen in a pressurized liquid / gas at normal pressure) tanks that the fellows like to move down the road a little fast - pivot axles don't sway and perhaps with your high-speed tractors that is what is needed.

Nothing else has those pivot axles, all wagons are steerable front axles. Way too easy to tip over a load with the pivots.

Either style of wagon is very difficult to learn to back up well. A trailer is much easier, & perhaps for small loads this person would want to consider a trailer instead.

--->Paul