Winches - which, and hydraulic or electric?

[BILL_K]

t runs my hydraulics for the tilt bed (powered by a starter
motor) as well as the winch.


Gary:
Would you please post some details on how you set this up as I need to
do something similar for a small dump trailer that I am making
Thanks

Billk

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

As much as I'd like to take credit for this, all I did was buy it. It's actually a pretty simple design with a single ram and a hydraulic pump powered by a starter motor and on board battery. If it ever stops raining here I'd be happy to take a couple pictures of whatever part would interest you and post them for you. Just let me know what you'd like to see. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[rdbrumfield]

How fortunate you are to have found that winch. As far as pulling power the pto is best, but runs the risk of breaking winch or line. I use half a key on the winch input shaft to protect the mechanism. With a full key I have split the case on the koenig winch with 9-1 ratio. I would assume that the one you found is 36-1. Also you can get a hyd motor and adapter that bolts right up to the koenig. I have one mounted in my front loader and it works wonderfully. I think you will find that using a power steering pump that it will not put out enough gpm to turn the winch at a usable speed. My tractor puts out 18 gpm and it is slow, but adequate for my needs, turns about one rev per 4 seconds.
I have built many winch systems for tractors for the three point and the koenig has worked out well as a pto system both as 800 and 12000 line pull. One thing, if you have an upright winch be sure that when you spool the line on that the line comes in on the bottom of the spool as opposed to the top. Pulling in on the top puts undo strain on the mounting hardware.
Also, koenig does have the electric model of the same winch base. just an electric motor and an extra gearbox that bolts right onto the same input shaft.
No matter which system,pto,elec, or hyd, there are tradeoffs. For trading between machines the electric would be my bet. Putting a 2 in. receiver on any vehicle you might use would be handy. Think of using welding leads, they are supple, will certainly handle the voltage and if they need to be 20ft long that is not a problem, and having a plug at the battery it would be an easy hookup.
In my case, I have a hyd peranently mounted in my loader frame. I can quickly disconnect the line on the remote if I need to run anything else, and a pto winch for the 3pt. When I am out in the toolies I toss in my chainsaw winch with a couple of pulleys. The trick is to not bury the vehicle before getting the tackle on.
Which ever system you go with, I can say that you will be happy you did the day you need it.

 

[knucklehead]

Hi Randall - I also read your post replies about winches when I searched yesterday, and I saw the pictures you posted with the winch in the loader arms. You just made me go haul out the bin with the Koenig in it, and I do have a 36 tooth bronze gear on it - I assume that means 36:1 since the worm gear has to go around once to advance a tooth on the winch gear. It got tossed in the dumpster at work about 10 years ago, and it was really snarled when I got it. I worked off the cable with two big screwdrivers - took me an hour or two. I have all the bushings, bearings, seals, and a two piece shaft about 50" long, with u-joints and a pillow block support bearing. I also have several neat snap hooks, that I forgot were there. Those are coming out of retirement at once!

The label doesn't say much more than Koenig truck winch, and not to use more than 5/16" cable. There are a few numbers cast into the broken case and stamped on the gears. I had hoped to use that Rover club site to get parts when I got around to it. I see the shallow, round cornered keyway in the input shaft to the worm. Looks like just about anything could be keyed onto that. There is a short pivoting handle on the opposite end that forks and fits over a dog that engages a short steel pin welded to the drum flange. I guess that's how you engage that baby. I assume you do that first, then engage the PTO to the truck. That's kinda neat, because that means you can dog it in and control winching with whatever your power source is.

I hadn't really thought about using the thing because it's a whole "engineering" project, rather than purchasing and installing a new electric unit. But I'm seeing some big prices on new winches, too. I do like to take a minute to think through what I am doing, so I don't miss an opportunity to kill as many birds with one stone as possible. I linked this drawing of an L621 from their website, so you could get a quick look at what I have - I think mine is the L621 - all the parts look the same, except my "drum clutch" (PN 190) is not round but more of a butterfly shape. Both halves of my housing (PN 111) are split from top to bottom right through the bushing/shaft housings. I guess I'd better start looking for a new gear housing, because I didn't know I had a sliver missing about the size of my finger from the worm gear area. I had kind of day dreamed about making a new case out of steel pipe for the worm section and milling/mating it to a larger ring with covers for the big bronze gear. Maybe finding parts would be smarter. I'd like to power it with the tractor PTO someday, and make a log winch out of it by mounting it onto some sort of blade, much like the farmis and fransguards are set up.