Looking to buy a Yanmar
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buppy69
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The first 2 numbers are the approximate PTO hp. The 10 means Power Shift. The F's are newer tractors, the 265 being the newest. The X's mean Power Shift. Most people on this forum will recommend staying with the older Yanmars but I have had good results with the F's. Be very wary of the reconditioned tractors. These tractors usually only have about a thousand hours on them anyway. Far from being wore out. It makes you wonder why they needed reconditioning so soon.
Eugene
Eugene
HTP,
There are some really good dealers here.. I would recomend filling out your profile so they have an idea where you are located and if they might be able to help you.. They also have some very good websites too that will help answer your questions..
There are some really good dealers here.. I would recomend filling out your profile so they have an idea where you are located and if they might be able to help you.. They also have some very good websites too that will help answer your questions..
Inspector507
Super Member
The person you are considering buying from may seem credible to to you, but it would be the reconditioned tractor that would worry me. Why would a 500-1000 hour tractor need rebuilt/reconditioned? The shiny no hour tractors might look good to some people but I'd rather stay with an original 1000 tractor that works well.
piddling
New member
Let's see...depending on the point you're trying to make some people post that reconditioned merely means the tractor has been run through a paint shop in Vietnam and, still dripping, shipped on to the U.S. The inference here is that only cosmetic reconditioning is done in order to sell them to us gullible westerners and that mechanical problems are ignored in order to get them out the door. I get the impression that people who post on the cosmetic theme bought their tractors from a U.S. dealer who is backing them to to the hilt.
The other group posting about reconditioned tractors wonders why a tractor with 1,000 hours needs a mechanical as well as cosmetic reconditioning - implying these tractors are worn out and to be avoided.
Apparently the prudent choice is to buy a still-running tractor that has been lifted directly out of a Japanese quagmire and shipped as-is to the suspicious yanks.
The other group posting about reconditioned tractors wonders why a tractor with 1,000 hours needs a mechanical as well as cosmetic reconditioning - implying these tractors are worn out and to be avoided.
Apparently the prudent choice is to buy a still-running tractor that has been lifted directly out of a Japanese quagmire and shipped as-is to the suspicious yanks.
Ductape
Elite Member
Or....... you could always buy a US spec Yannie.
reb
Veteran Member
[Apparently the prudent choice is to buy a still-running tractor that has been lifted directly out of a Japanese quagmire and shipped as-is to the suspicious yanks.]
IMHO the prudent choice is to buy from an reputable dealer who checks the machines out, fixes any problems and offers a reasonable warranty. There are several who post in this forum.
IMHO the prudent choice is to buy from an reputable dealer who checks the machines out, fixes any problems and offers a reasonable warranty. There are several who post in this forum.
arthr31
Platinum Member
I think that your impressions are clouded, and, I don't think anyone is trying to "infer" anything here.
This is the way it is, if you buy a reconditioned model, from some chop-shop overseas, you do not know what was done to the machine, what problems were perhaps covered up, what short cuts were taken to put it back together, what assorted parts were used, etc. But, what you usually do get is a good looking tractor that does have a nice shine and polish.
As far as reconditioning, that's BS. If it were truely reconditioned in a, as they say, "factory" you would be able to get a list of parts and work performed in the "re-conditioning process". They'd track that stuff by serial num and offer some kinda of support. But, they don't. They rebuild these tractors in open air shelters with dirt floors (from pics that I've seen, never been there, but can't imagine it's much better). You can see what one of these factories looks like, look here:
http://www.tractorco.com/Secondarypages/ReconditioningProcess.htm
You think OSHA is involved there? How about ISO standardization? They did say it's a factory, then why not.
Hey, and btw, I own a so called re-conditioned tractor so I am seeing first hand where the paint and polish starts to wear a bit thin... There's no deal to be had by buying one of these reconditioned/remanufactored tractors....
I don't mean to hi-jack the thread, just don't be fooled by the paint... Happy tractoring, either way... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
This is the way it is, if you buy a reconditioned model, from some chop-shop overseas, you do not know what was done to the machine, what problems were perhaps covered up, what short cuts were taken to put it back together, what assorted parts were used, etc. But, what you usually do get is a good looking tractor that does have a nice shine and polish.
As far as reconditioning, that's BS. If it were truely reconditioned in a, as they say, "factory" you would be able to get a list of parts and work performed in the "re-conditioning process". They'd track that stuff by serial num and offer some kinda of support. But, they don't. They rebuild these tractors in open air shelters with dirt floors (from pics that I've seen, never been there, but can't imagine it's much better). You can see what one of these factories looks like, look here:
http://www.tractorco.com/Secondarypages/ReconditioningProcess.htm
You think OSHA is involved there? How about ISO standardization? They did say it's a factory, then why not.
Hey, and btw, I own a so called re-conditioned tractor so I am seeing first hand where the paint and polish starts to wear a bit thin... There's no deal to be had by buying one of these reconditioned/remanufactored tractors....
I don't mean to hi-jack the thread, just don't be fooled by the paint... Happy tractoring, either way... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Mickey_Fx
Veteran Member
I think what should be at issue for the VN rebuilds is not the cosmetic things but what was the condition of the tractor initially and what was used for parts that were replaced.
Have heard the machine that go to VN are in such poor condition they are not marketable anywhere else. As for parts, anything that fits may be the approach. I know there are post on this forum saying they've had experience with finding components that aren't for the same model as they are attached to, and finding shims made from beer cans.
On the whole, one would be better off buying from a dealer that only handles the better qlty units and have gone over them and made repairs, new fluids and such as needed and will stand by what they sell.
Have heard the machine that go to VN are in such poor condition they are not marketable anywhere else. As for parts, anything that fits may be the approach. I know there are post on this forum saying they've had experience with finding components that aren't for the same model as they are attached to, and finding shims made from beer cans.
On the whole, one would be better off buying from a dealer that only handles the better qlty units and have gone over them and made repairs, new fluids and such as needed and will stand by what they sell.
Some guys recomend being a mechanic to own a grey... Everything I have seen and heard tells me that this may be true with a VN reconditioned unit, but not with a reputable dealer...
I have had some issues with mine, though not reall bad for a 30yr old tractor(in my mind).. My dealer treated me ok, and the place he got it from has a good reputation, but I would buy from one of the guys that frequent here next time.... I dont think any of us can say it any more plain, just buy from someone you trust... These guys here are golden when it comes to service and although I havent seen their product personally, I can tell buy seeing their posts on the subject and websites that they are well worth what little more $$ it may cost to buy from them....
I have had some issues with mine, though not reall bad for a 30yr old tractor(in my mind).. My dealer treated me ok, and the place he got it from has a good reputation, but I would buy from one of the guys that frequent here next time.... I dont think any of us can say it any more plain, just buy from someone you trust... These guys here are golden when it comes to service and although I havent seen their product personally, I can tell buy seeing their posts on the subject and websites that they are well worth what little more $$ it may cost to buy from them....
greatrandini
Gold Member
That factory has a concrete floor? Other then the safty issues I don't see that a chop shop here would be any different. Thanks for the info. I bet that is where our (yours and mine) tractors came from. I still like my tractor. I have not found any parts not original to the 2210 yet. I knew my transmission was never rebuilt but the guy I got it from replaced all the hydro fluid otherwise I would have. I keep changing the oil even though I don't get many hrs on it. I do think my engine was rebuilt. I do like my tractor. If I had it to do over again I would by a foton from Rural King and get an old 700lb skid steer instead.
arthr31
Platinum Member
Great,
that's kinda the whole point, about a chop-shop. Here, there, wherever, it's NOT a FACTORY!! Cement floor, dirt floor, whatever have you, it's a chop-shop!
that's kinda the whole point, about a chop-shop. Here, there, wherever, it's NOT a FACTORY!! Cement floor, dirt floor, whatever have you, it's a chop-shop!
greatrandini
Gold Member
Yea, but I got a good tractor. Real good for the Money I spent. I think some of these companies are better then others. I think it is really buyer beware on all of these Gray martket units. I don't think I could advise anyone to get one or not. They just have to check it out the same way we did. I think if you need a machine for your lively hood you might want to go elsewhere. If it is just a "toy" then you get the most tractor for the money. I don't see any perfect low hr used units here mostly junkers. I would rather have my unit. There is a guy about 2 miles away who got a good 2310d used. very nice. small leaks on front axle but very nice unit. He went to Virginia to get it... Too far for me. Guy in Ohio has good reputation but he hates me...so I could not go that route now. I would get a foton now. I may sell my unit and go that route....
Gizmo36
Platinum Member
A friend of mind just bought a 2210B .He was tolled it was a 2005 Never been used for 4,000. It dose look good it has new bolts in it.I have a friend that is going to Georgia and get a 2210B with only 30 hours on it for 3,900. If I sale my 1700 I will buy from a Dealer that ever one on here thinks is the best just don't know who that is yet.Fredrick's is a good one I think, But think about this, one of them can spend $800 on his and the other can send $900 on his fixing thing's on there's before they have as much in there's as I will. If I sale mind I want a 2210 just don't know if I can get the 2210B or not. But I will kept a record of Don's and Ralph's and mind . And that will tell if one is better than the other. We all cut about the same size yard. the same size garden and we have 96A leased for dear hunting.I will post a record on here as long as I live or as long as we have the Tractors. And I think that will tell who's is the best.or if one is better than the other.And if the VN rebuilds comes out on top they that is the way it is. And if a good dealer comes out on top then that is the way it is.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( A friend of mind just bought a 2210B .He was tolled it was a 2005 )</font>
So you're not even concerned about the ethics issue here? That tractor is not a "2005", not even close, and anyone saying so is either ignorant or worse. If---and I repeat IF the product is "as good" as the others in the market why is it necessary for the seller(s) to misrepresent their tractors?
So you're not even concerned about the ethics issue here? That tractor is not a "2005", not even close, and anyone saying so is either ignorant or worse. If---and I repeat IF the product is "as good" as the others in the market why is it necessary for the seller(s) to misrepresent their tractors?
Come on that is stupid, they are machines, so there is too many other things involved in it. One might get a good rebuild, and a dealer might have one, that he didn't find something that was wrong with it. That would be like compareing apples to grapes or pears or anything else, not a test of any kind, just a stupid idea. You can't run one against the other on machines that are 30 years old, there just isn't any way. Just like used cars, same make and model, one might go 200 thousand miles and one might be junk by the time it got to 50 thousand.
Gizmo36
Platinum Member
It don't matter what my concern's about the ethics are .He is 65 it was his money ,He can buy what he wants. you not going to let any one tell you were you have to buy and he is not ether.
I was not even remotely suggesting telling anyone where they can buy. You said you were going to compare the units repair for repair, etc., and see which is best. My question was to you....totally apart from the cost issue. Don't you find the lack of ethics so often involved in the sale of these units, and clearly involved in the sale of that one, to be disturbing? To me that is a major factor as well as quality---or lack of it.
mark777
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Gizmo36,
I'd like to give my opinion on the ethics part of used tractors and dealers. And tell me what you honestly think, ok?
To me, If you alter or change out an hour meter on any make or model...well it's as deceiving as changing the expiration date on medication, canned foods or a gallon of milk. If any of these products are offered at the same, or a discounted price, someone is taking advantage of the consumer. Especially if he says, but never intends to replace (or repair) any of the above mentioned items.
Some may recall a few months back, a staunch supporter (dealer) of tractors imported from Vietnam. Nice enough guy and argued his points pretty well, but even he stated that 1 (or maybe 2) of the 5 big "factories" that recondition and export to the U.S. were good...and the others were questionable. If one does the math, I take that to mean 3 out of the 5 tractors imported (from there) may, or will have major problems. All of his tractors had zero hour meters and they retailed for as much and often more, per his own posts.
Even the individual dealers who's intentions are to stand behind these tractors are plagued with mechanical problems and returns, and most often are not equipped to handle so many failures.
Here is a perfect example (The Truth!), Not 5 minutes from me a person bought a YM2000D with a box blade and Bulldog loader. A very nice, shiny and new looking tractor purchased from XYZ in North TX. At 51 hours the steering brakes on one side is at or below 20% and the other side is 0%..or shoe to drum wear is metal to metal. It also has wiring problems and does not charge his second new battery. And now there is a very serious problem with the hydraulics...and he can only back the tractor up as he can't raise the loader, even after changing all the fluids, filters and cleaned reservoir screen. He asked me if I could fix all the problems ...I had to look the gentleman in the eye and tell him truthfully, I don't know. Because I don't know.
He has now (last week) offered me a substantial discount, drastic really, to buy the tractor...OR sell it for him and he would give me everything over $2600. Nearly a third of what his XYZ invoice and bill of sale indicated. I can't (won't) do it because it's a question of ethics.
Mark
I'd like to give my opinion on the ethics part of used tractors and dealers. And tell me what you honestly think, ok?
To me, If you alter or change out an hour meter on any make or model...well it's as deceiving as changing the expiration date on medication, canned foods or a gallon of milk. If any of these products are offered at the same, or a discounted price, someone is taking advantage of the consumer. Especially if he says, but never intends to replace (or repair) any of the above mentioned items.
Some may recall a few months back, a staunch supporter (dealer) of tractors imported from Vietnam. Nice enough guy and argued his points pretty well, but even he stated that 1 (or maybe 2) of the 5 big "factories" that recondition and export to the U.S. were good...and the others were questionable. If one does the math, I take that to mean 3 out of the 5 tractors imported (from there) may, or will have major problems. All of his tractors had zero hour meters and they retailed for as much and often more, per his own posts.
Even the individual dealers who's intentions are to stand behind these tractors are plagued with mechanical problems and returns, and most often are not equipped to handle so many failures.
Here is a perfect example (The Truth!), Not 5 minutes from me a person bought a YM2000D with a box blade and Bulldog loader. A very nice, shiny and new looking tractor purchased from XYZ in North TX. At 51 hours the steering brakes on one side is at or below 20% and the other side is 0%..or shoe to drum wear is metal to metal. It also has wiring problems and does not charge his second new battery. And now there is a very serious problem with the hydraulics...and he can only back the tractor up as he can't raise the loader, even after changing all the fluids, filters and cleaned reservoir screen. He asked me if I could fix all the problems ...I had to look the gentleman in the eye and tell him truthfully, I don't know. Because I don't know.
He has now (last week) offered me a substantial discount, drastic really, to buy the tractor...OR sell it for him and he would give me everything over $2600. Nearly a third of what his XYZ invoice and bill of sale indicated. I can't (won't) do it because it's a question of ethics.
Mark
arthr31
Platinum Member
Dick, yeah, that really is stupid, almost as bad as a 65 yr old guy getting lied to and then ripped off.
And, gizmo, read Mark's story of his neighbor close-by. Let your friend read it, then try and have him imagine it's him. If he decides to keep the tractor, then oh well.
These re-cons are NO DEAL. I can't believe that someone would sell the 2210b as a 2005? What the?!?
gizmo, your friend got taken advantage of and then ripped off. Doesn't that bother you? Aren't your irked by the fact that the seller sold you something which isn't true? I think you guys should take that thing back and get your $$ back...
And, gizmo, read Mark's story of his neighbor close-by. Let your friend read it, then try and have him imagine it's him. If he decides to keep the tractor, then oh well.
These re-cons are NO DEAL. I can't believe that someone would sell the 2210b as a 2005? What the?!?
gizmo, your friend got taken advantage of and then ripped off. Doesn't that bother you? Aren't your irked by the fact that the seller sold you something which isn't true? I think you guys should take that thing back and get your $$ back...
