Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!!

   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!!
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40 acres. I'm planning on clearing underneath all of the trees and removing all of the dead standing as well. Here are a few photos and some of the mess that they left behind. This is the small pile there is one that's about 40X25X8'
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Thanks for the replies everyone,
James
 

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   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #12  
We run commercial earthmoving & farming operations.

IMO if I could only have a single "allround" earthmoving machine, a track loader with 4/1 & rippers would be my choice - the track loader may not excell on any single task.....but it will do everything & more than any other individual machine type, simply if this is your "only" machine it's versatility can't be beaten across all general digging/loading/clearing/dozing applications.......Yes, despite what some may say a track loader is quite productive using a slot dozing method pushing ponds/dams.

As for brands I advise stick with Cat models 935/955/953/977 (consider you can pay a premium for the Cat name which is offset to an extent by readily available parts new/secondhand), or my preference (for ease of use/maintenance/reliability) Case models 850/855/1450/1455 (watch for oil in the coolant & electrolysis, also parts can be little harder to come by) & Komatsu models D55/D53/D75 ( a little more complex/rarer on the ground)......The real key is to purchase something in reasonable condition & above all with good undercarriage (the cost of replacement grousers,chains,rollers,idlers,sprockets ...etc will be well inexcess of the purchase price of most s/h machines....).

Consider also, a machine below 85hp will be limited in it's ability in heavy applications/economy of operation in larger projects & :
- transport can add up quickly on large machines
- machines above c.150hp have a limited market/resale opportunities
- parts, undercarriage, maintenance, fuel usage is relative to the size of the machine with larger machines working out cheaper on cost/tonne/hour basis if you have the scale of project hours to justify the larger machine size

And if you're going down the D4 dozer path, the D4C generally is much cheaper for good reason as they have a reputation for having signifcantly weaking back ends than the D4D's.

Whether you ultimately decide on a track loader, dozer or even an excavator the key to maximise the life of any undercarriage is too plan your work cycle path to minimise unproductive "walking" of the machine & avoid short radius power turns.
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #13  
Great post.
Thanks
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #14  
DUP post but it is worth two Thanks. :)
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #15  
My dad just sold his D4D crawler and 941B loader...
The loader had a 4n1 bucket...
IMHO if I was looking to clear property a crawler loader with 4n1 bucket and rippers would be the best choice...
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!!
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MBTRAC, without going into lengthy details. Why those series say over the 939, 941, 943. Problem is I can't really find anything locally and I don't have the time to go out of state to look at them. They seem cheaper out of state. But, by the time you had it trucked in the price would be about the same. I just called on 3 of the ones I mentioned and they sold already. Headed to Mexico!!! So, I'm still looking. I would like a D6D. But, they're more than I want to spend. So today I was looking at some D6B's & D6C's. The only loader let is a Case 450 and I'm not sure it would be big enough. Any thoughts anyone?

Thanks MBTRAC and everyone else too.

James
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #17  
IMO if I could only have a single "allround" earthmoving machine, a track loader with 4/1 & rippers would be my choice

A few days ago I saw a track loader with a backhoe. About all left to add would be a crane on the side. :)

Bruce
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #18  
Yep, a very strong grapple.
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #19  
A few days ago I saw a track loader with a backhoe. About all left to add would be a crane on the side. :)

Bruce

That would be a pipe layer. Cat purpose builds them, I think others do too. Find them in auctions mostly.
 
   / Help me decide. Dozer or Crawler Loader!!! #20  
MBTRAC, without going into lengthy details. Why those series say over the 939, 941, 943. Problem is I can't really find anything locally and I don't have the time to go out of state to look at them. They seem cheaper out of state. But, by the time you had it trucked in the price would be about the same. I just called on 3 of the ones I mentioned and they sold already. Headed to Mexico!!! So, I'm still looking. I would like a D6D. But, they're more than I want to spend. So today I was looking at some D6B's & D6C's. The only loader let is a Case 450 and I'm not sure it would be big enough. Any thoughts anyone?

Thanks MBTRAC and everyone else too.

James
I've no direct experience with the 939's & the only two operations I know with 939's had nothing but problems with them from new - underpowered, overheating, weak hydraulics ...etc. largely unloved by operators & operations here.....the 941's were a reasonable piece of gear, quite a basic design but very aged now with decent examples very hard to come by & reasonably priced secondhand parts not easily sourced.......943's don't have enough power to do anything where a track loader should be required but on the positive side also have insufficient power to hurt themselves :laughing: ...........the 953's are a much more capable machine (with the 963's virtual "hot rods").......point for point/$ for $ a good 955K or L powershift is arguably the best Cat track loader for private ownership SH, stick to post 1972 production (thereby avoiding the D330 "hand grenade" engine) with preferably the 3304 engine......Exercise caution with D6's as they're often used in applications well above their design intent & therefore cop more than their far share of (ab)use.........

On any machine you are considering make certain to satisfy yourself under load & at full operating temperatures everything consitently works fine (amazing how
engine, powershift, hydraulic..."gremlins" aren't evident when a machine is being worked softly....)

The Case 450's are pretty much toys which limits their versatility, with all the costs of track loader/dozer (I have owned/own both) but without the capability/capacity to tackle anything serious day in day out....great machines in a specialised application but their value is questionable as a general duties "tool" - to illustrate the point, below are 3xCase machines we own/have owned: the 450C Dozer is nothing more than a glorified trenching machine, compare the "weak" loader frame/strength on our ancient 450 track loader hoe (we still use privately on a regular basis) with the far more robust loader frame on the 855C
 

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