Egon
Epic Contributor
Boy, that list is fully inclusive and not slanted in any way is it? Someone should be fired for posting or accepting that data in that way.
In other words it does not agree with your ideas?
Boy, that list is fully inclusive and not slanted in any way is it? Someone should be fired for posting or accepting that data in that way.
I have posted before I worked on a wind farm 60 turbines, about a year before I retired. I did survey work and did a lot of construction layout. Just me driving a pickup burned hundred of gallons of gas. A mind boggling amount of materials were delivered and installed. All this burning thousands of gallons of gas and diesel.
My point is how long does it take for all this fossil being expended building a wind farm before it balances out? I tried to find this information but couldn’t and of course it varies by location.
Im not saying wind farms are bad or good, I just wonder what the net gain is on fossil fuels being expended is.
Not at all, the list is not complete and is very open to double counts on things like antenna masts, power, power lines, etc. There are numbers listed N/A which we can very safely assume are not 0. Then there are pure assumed numbers. This appears to be cherry picked data off of a number of different studies which I’m fully believing double count and gloss over other kills.In other words it does not agree with your ideas?
Nuclear and coal are very different environmental impacts. Coal is horrible no question. I haven’t seen a megawatt to megawatt analysis of wind or solar to nuclear but I bet nuclear comes in out ahead in constriction costs and impacts…until you have to store the leftovers.Perhaps think about the resources required for building a nuclear/coal fired power plant. Then add in the requirements for “after the event“ pollution mitigation. Things like acid rain or the destruction of the Appalachian Streams. ( water quality )
This list is almost 10 years old, so there may be some changes ....
Solar: Anywhere from about 1,000 birds a year, according to BrightSource, to 28,000 birds a year, according to an expert at the Center for Biological Diversity.
Wind: Between 140,000 and 328,000 birds a year in the contiguous United States, according to a December 2013 study published in the journal Biological Conservation. Taller turbines tend to take out more birds.
Oil and Gas: An estimated 500,000 to 1 million birds a year are killed in oil fields, the Bureau of Land Management said in a December 2012 memo.
[DATA MINE: Natural Gas to See Biggest Gains in Coal Country]
Coal: Huge numbers of birds, roughly 7.9 million, may be killed by coal, according to analysis by Benjamin K. Sovacool, director of the Danish Center for Energy Technologies. His estimate, however, included everything from mining to production and climate change, which together amounted to about five birds per gigawatt-hour of energy generated by coal.
Nuclear: About 330,000 birds, by Sovacool’s calculations.
.... Natural gas, wind, and solar are cheaper than coal.
Interesting question, I find it hopeful that wind generation is being installed at some chemical/oil superfund sites to provide energy.When are they gonna figure out what to do with the garbage?
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Or stop killing endangered/protected birds that a farmer would go to jail for?
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When are they gonna figure out what to do with the garbage?
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Or stop killing endangered/protected birds that a farmer would go to jail for?
View attachment 741930Every year 2 or 3 birds die by flying into my house (the ones i find). Plus there are probably 10 more strikes where I don’t find a carcus.
Every year i find 2 or 3 birds that are dead around my house due to “bird strikes”. An additional 10 strikes or so also occur, but maybe those birds survived or just died somewhere else. It would appear that we should eliminate housing to save birds.When are they gonna figure out what to do with the garbage?
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Or stop killing endangered/protected birds that a farmer would go to jail for?
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