Richard
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In August, I attended a retirement seminar and the financial planner/ investment guru they brought in was the owner of a small but well reputed investment firm. He discussed his family history growing up as the heir apparent of a small scrap business in West Virgina. He had different plans for his life than his father did but he claimed that he has always watched the scrap metals markets very closely and used it as one of the best indicators for not only certain sectors but for the general economy. He claimed that in 2000 he liquidated 90% of his investor's stocks to cash just prior to the dramatic downturn in the markets and did so based solely on indicators from the scrap markets. His theory is that material needs are a direct indication of how much business certain sectors will be doing and an excellent forecaster of the near future economic trends.
I'm a financial advisor, though perhaps, not a guru (been in biz for 23 years now)
If this guy did exactly what he said he did, then I've got a couple thoughts:
bunk
If he did that then I'd suggest he sold and was (in hindsight) lucky and is now trying to put a spin on it so he'd be viewed as a guru.
To illustrate the point (or blow it up?) Prior to the tech boom, I had a client on the phone and during the chit chat, one of my exact sentences to her were..."...I really think we might have a market melt UP" (instead of melt down)
I DID have a little voice in the back of my head that made me think that HOWEVER, did I capitalize on it by pushing everyone into tech stocks or something similar? Nope.... Now, SHE on the other hand, when HER account went up 7 fold...thought I was a freaking genius. Interestingly, later on, I had ANOTHER gut feeling regarding her (her stocks had peaked and were now moving sideways)....I thought the run was over and she might want to take some profits in her retirement account. Now, being greedy, SHE said to me that she thought the market was going to continue up and keep what she has. I think she sold her $90 stock 6 months later for $30. She'd bought it at 12 so she still did "ok" BUT!!!
Second story of 'guru'... in March, literally what turned out to be maybe 2 weeks before the begin of the bubble burst... I had my mother on the phone. I said to her... (and I swear this is true) "Mom.... I've got a little voice inside the back of my head that is telling me to take you 100% OUT of the market and just go to cash"
Instead of her asking me about the voice or saying do what your gut is telling you to do, she yacked on about her grand-neice and changed the subject...Of course, she (we) never sold.
HAD I sold her out, I still wouldn't have taken EVERYONE out of the market so again, it would have been a "from HER perspective, I'm a genius"
Last story... 15 months or so ago, the dow jones was peaking a bit over 14,000 and went down...back over...and went down....
I had my little voice pop up again and told me to get out of the market AND don't even THINK about getting back in for 6 months.
Having been burnt on the earlier occasions, I yanked Mom, me, sisters, wife (even my wifes 401K) and anyone that cared to listen to me out to cash/money markets.
I sold when the dow was over 14,000 but I don't recall by how much.
six months went by and I still didn't feel good about buying back in because the market was still funky. The current funk we're still in.
Truth be told... just about a week or maybe two weeks ago, I FINALLY started to make some purchases in my wifes 401K back into the market.
Ok, I lied...one more comment
When the dow had fallen to 10,000...my little voice spoke up again. I had a gut feeling that we'd see 8,000 and I refused to listen to it.
That would be ANOTHER 20% drop from 10K and I didn't want to see that. As we all know, we've now traded just under 8,000 a couple times and even as I write this, we're dancing at 8,288.
Some might say all this is poppycock and I won't try to force anyone to belive me. I DID however, state on a public forum (so I can 'prove' part of my comment) when the dow was at 9,000 that I felt it would hit 8,000 but that's not as good a warning as had I spoken up when my little voice did at 10,000.
Anyways.... I think your investment guy is simply trying to slick talk.